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welcome to the show thank you it's great

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to be here I've heard so much about the

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and everybody routes about it so it's

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I'm feeling like I'm gonna do any news

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people expect and we better deliver

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that's true yeah so before we get into

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topics that they want us to touch on but

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there if you want to call in you can

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also do that later on not for the first

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the guy who investigate it feels very

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aircraft I still kind of argue you know

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nice and it's a you know just this this

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should look at it because there's people

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strobe lights that this is definitely

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one no damn but I will check it out yeah

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the site daily

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that is new either but this is destroyed

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1977 and so you could read about that

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will be some UFO sightings and he's been

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accurate one time at least they aided

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news there in China so it's a really

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interesting story and he has some older

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Russia he lives in the United States now

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he wrote a book about Russia's UFO FILES

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objects yes and he was on your show

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really interesting so he kind of talks

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of found out about him through his

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that's really interesting otherwise

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archives but this is another video of

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last week with these two lights kind of

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floating through the sky these light and

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a flew but it's kind of a funny video

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because this lady said she saw these

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lights and she didn't know what they

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were and she got scared she watched him

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until she couldn't see him anymore she

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knows it was a UFO sighting and she

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recorded them and posted those but it

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was kind of funny because this happened

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on October 27th when she was loading her

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kids into the car to take them to a

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haunted house and you can see in the

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like you get this sense that her

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husband's like okay honey let's go let's

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go you know like could you get done

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taping your UFOs so if you can go now

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but so it's kind of an interesting video

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that one again was investigated and

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closed as an unknown hey before we move

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with Roswell and going to that alia

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be in touch with someone over there we

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all kind of lost touch he used to

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China but we really don't get a lot of

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information about UFOs in China what do

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you know about that yeah we don't get a

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lot of information I love talking about

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Japanese ufology so here we go I'm glad

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you brought this up but you're right I

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think it's the same reason we don't hear

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a lot except for from Stonehill from

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like Jaime slap moose on bless his heart

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you know who is reporting some stuff not

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the best source of information

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necessarily let's discriminate so in

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famous song but we also have of course

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reporting agencies so we hear from them

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organization as well but again I think

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because they're not as high profile and

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because there's a language barrier there

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we just don't hear from them so we just

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don't hear much about ufology in China

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she Liddy who isn't Chinese ufologists

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and he's a really interesting guy but of

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course this is what's funny about that

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interview soon she please speaks Chinese

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and Spanish so he was interviewed by

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Antonio who Naas who used to work for

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open mind and he speaks many languages

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including Spanish so he had to translate

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you know dis Chinese guys speaking

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Spanish Antonio who then translated that

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to English which is kind of funny so I

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think it's just thank

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um you know the the language barriers

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the big issue but China has an

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interesting history one of the best

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books available that you're just not

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gonna get though I apologize but it's

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written by a guy named Paul dong in

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China and here's what's interesting

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about China is that we've written quite

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a bit about this in our magazine and on

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the website and I don't see this

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anywhere else a lot of this is research

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that was done by Wendell and Antonio but

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in China they were and Suchi Lee who has

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written stories for us and we translated

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but essentially there were professors in

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Chile and some of his colleagues were

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really into UFOs but at the beginning of

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China's you know socialist or communist

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regime they were really tied closely

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with Russia and Russia had a bad outlook

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on the whole UFO topic so it was really

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underground and it wasn't really done so

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for instance the professors in China

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couldn't really talk about UFOs and that

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was because Russia was really in control

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of things in the 70s that began to

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change and the Chinese started to take

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control of themselves at one point and I

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believe it was soon chilly he went to he

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decided he wanted to start writing about

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some of these UFO stories and to create

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an organization a UFO organization monks

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to call up academics what if I believe

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it was worked for and I'm pretty sure

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this is all accurate all the details but

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this is essentially how it worked his

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wife worked for the government so they

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actually approached the government and

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said we would like permission to create

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a UFO journal and that they said ok no

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problem and they even said you know

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who's gonna fund it and Sue she's like I

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don't know why I haven't gotten that far

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the Chinese government actually offered

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to fund its journal and so the dome got

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created and that's

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this organization that burgeoned into a

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huge organization with a lot of members

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and it's more like a professional

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scientific society where if you're a

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doctor or professional you can join the

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society as a full-fledged member but if

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you're not a doctor than you had you can

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only be kind of an associate member and

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you can get the journal and stuff like

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that so kind of like we were talking

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about with MUFON they would put out a

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journal that was written on a monthly

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basis but moving forward in time to this

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book so when did that information start

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getting here wendell stevens

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some of you may know was an american in

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the air forest a very controversial you

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work with billy meyers and some other

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contactees quote-unquote some of the

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cases that aren't that credible

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essentially what happened is Paul dong

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wrote this book about UFOs in China and

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these are cases that were from you know

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that like really nineteen hundreds up

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until that time period in the eighties

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really great cases he asked Wendell if

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Wendell would like to get that

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translated and print it in English and

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Wendell said well I'd love to but I

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don't speak Chinese

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Paul Dong actually went to the

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government the government offered to

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translate it and one of the departments

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and the Chinese government translated

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his book into English gave that text to

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Windell with all of these wonderful

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pictures and everything

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and Wendell printed that and packaged it

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and it's just a book full of great

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incredible Chinese cases luckily for you

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all in our magazine open my magazine but

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also on our website we have a lot of

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these stories that you'll be able to

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find here and there and in fact at least

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one of these stories that is in the Paul

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Stonehill story was also in windows book

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so at least one of the images maybe a

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couple come from the book that Wendell

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Stevens worked on but if you can get it

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you know there's a good science out

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there aids books and others look

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you know UFOs over China and and written

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by wendell stevens and you'll be able to

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see it you had one more chatted earlier

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today I'd like to talk about what the

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article that you're working on if you

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would Roswell

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so some people get upset now like oh man

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why are they talking about do you get

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that have you heard people call about

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that always yes uh-huh

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yeah and so to those people I would say

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regardless of what you may think and you

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can call in we could debate this but

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there are not a lot of great cases out

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there and abundance of credible

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witnesses Roswell is one of those very

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very very few cases and that's why we

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Roswell is important and not only that

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when you think you when the general

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public thinks UFOs they think Roswell so

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you know that that also makes it really

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important but this also makes it really

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important this story is cool so I Kevin

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Randall some of you have you had him on

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the show oh yes he does yeah yeah he's

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great he's as well researchers a UFO

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researcher and author he's got a blog

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out there and in his blog just late last

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week he wrote that one of a cop one of

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his colleagues someone he's been in

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communication with has offered to I

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guess they were talking about this Ramey

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memo which I'll get to

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but they've offered to pay ten thousand

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dollars to anyone who can decipher this

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memo so let's explain this memo so what

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happened it it just to give people a

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little refresher is in 1947 in

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particular on July 8 was they that were

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looking at um this was the morning when

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Walter Haught who was the communications

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guy at the Roswell Army Airfield sent

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out the press release that said we found

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a flying

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saucer and of course he based that off

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of the intelligence officer for the

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Roswell Army Air Force Air Base

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intelligence officer Jesse Marcel who

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went to day before to look at this

428
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debris that people had you know that Mac

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Brazel said was a crashed UFO

430
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he went and looked at the Bri debris he

431
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couldn't figure out what it was he

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butted in

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then on the 8th he was ordered to take

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this material and have it shipped to

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Fort Worth and for himself also to go to

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Fort Worth where he would meet general

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Roger Ramey so while he's in the air and

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while he's there you know Walter Haught

439
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write this press release since it out in

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the morning the end the AP then in the

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afternoon of the 8th posts this story

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you know the Air Force or the the Army

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Air Force because at the time that was

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about the time right before the Air

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Force was created so it was a department

446
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of the army actually you know wrote the

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big story and so when everywhere that

448
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:14,240
they found this flying saucer

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well Ramey when Jesse Marcel got to Fort

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Worth

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they walked Jesse Marcel to Raimi's

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office and in his office he had some

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material on the floor that later Marcel

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said was obviously a weather balloon but

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he was told what we're gonna tell the

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public that this is what you found and

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being a good soldier you know Jesse

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Marcel jr. who was a friend of mine

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confirmed this as a good soldier Jesse

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Marcel said yes sir

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didn't ask questions he this was these

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were his orders he said we'll tell

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people this is what I got so a

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photographer came in they took pictures

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of Ramey his chief of staff Colonel

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Thomas de Blois and Jesse Marcel with

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this material that was obviously a

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weather balloon then they sent out to

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reply that oh sorry we screwed up that

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so these pictures in these pictures

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Roger Ramey is holding a piece of paper

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and and most of these pictures you can't

473
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tell what is on that piece of paper but

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in one of these pictures you know it

475
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looks like there's some writing on it or

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something what some researchers have

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done the most well-known who's done this

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is David rudy AK right and in fact in my

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story I have a video of a part of a

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sci-fi channel special where they go

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over rudy AK and his findings but

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they've taken you know good clear photos

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and they've been able to scan them and

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blow them up and David react has look at

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this mone feels that you can see some

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things on this memo such as the phrases

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and the victims of the wreck and another

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phrase in the disk they will ship he

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thinks that's very important because it

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indicates to him that there was a disc

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that was found when it says victims of

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the wreck he feels that then that

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corroborates the testimony from some of

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the witnesses who say there were you

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know aliens that were found that were

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part of this crash so he actually has

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ideas about what the entire term memo

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said in fact I could read it if you want

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me to sure yep mm-hmm

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it says FWAA F Fort Worth Army Airfield

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is what that stands for acknowledges

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that a disc is the next new fine west of

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the cordon at location or in addition

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was a wreck or perhaps he thinks it

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might say pod or air for air foil near

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operation at the ranch and the victims

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of the wreck you forward it to the team

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at Fort Worth Texas aviators in the disc

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they will ship for a 8th Army Airfield

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that part is let's compare battle by

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b-29 or c-47 right

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air force assesses air foil at Roswell

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about that or about noon some of these

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00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:38,570
words he has alternate possibilities

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00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:41,450
said that this miss state meaning of

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story and think late today next sent out

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PR of water water weather balloon would

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take if photos used and land something

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crews so I mean as you can tell is

520
00:25:04,450 --> 00:25:01,610
definitely not got it all figured out

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00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:04,460
but you know that's a lot more than I

522
00:25:12,490 --> 00:25:07,600
heard before that was deciphered on this

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00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:12,500
so is this recently well this is not

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00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:15,650
really I mean this is as if he's got I

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mean this is what he feels that the memo

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00:25:25,390 --> 00:25:22,550
most likely says he's a certain about

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00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:25,400
all of this he's certain about like

528
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:28,580
those phrases but yeah that's what he

529
00:25:34,690 --> 00:25:31,130
feels most likely what it says that's

530
00:25:36,730 --> 00:25:34,700
pretty amazing yeah so so the thing is

531
00:25:38,860 --> 00:25:36,740
is that not everybody agrees with him

532
00:25:42,910 --> 00:25:38,870
some people have accused him of being

533
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:42,920
biased and so that has you know tainted

534
00:25:48,910 --> 00:25:46,000
his deciphering of this letter

535
00:25:54,430 --> 00:25:48,920
Kevin Randle has been a bit critical of

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00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,440
some of the areas of the the letter in

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fact and this is interesting the Air

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00:26:02,620 --> 00:25:59,750
Force themselves took a look at this

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00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:02,630
picture and tried to decipher what was

540
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:07,370
in the letter so in 1994 New Mexico

541
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:10,640
congressman Steven Schiff asked the Air

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00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,290
Force to explain what's going on in

543
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:14,480
Roswell why are people talking about

544
00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:17,090
this and I should explain to people some

545
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:19,340
people probably don't realize this but

546
00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:22,880
that Roswell was really unknown until

547
00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:26,870
the 80s that once Ramey came out and

548
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,430
said oops sorry it was a weather balloon

549
00:26:33,550 --> 00:26:31,520
the the public and the press said oh

550
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:33,560
okay it was just a weather balloon and

551
00:26:38,830 --> 00:26:37,610
it was lost to obscurity until you can

552
00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:38,840
there are a couple

553
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:41,000
obscure references here and there to it

554
00:26:46,930 --> 00:26:41,510
but that's a

555
00:26:50,590 --> 00:26:46,940
about it but then in in it was about 79

556
00:26:53,410 --> 00:26:50,600
was the late 70s when freed I heard

557
00:26:55,870 --> 00:26:53,420
about us himself telling people about

558
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:55,880
this and so we interviewed Jesse Marcel

559
00:27:01,570 --> 00:26:58,730
and Jesse Marcel said yeah that was not

560
00:27:05,470 --> 00:27:01,580
a weather balloon that was an alien

561
00:27:07,330 --> 00:27:05,480
spacecraft and so Stanton along with

562
00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:07,340
Bill Moore

563
00:27:12,190 --> 00:27:09,620
they began researching and finding other

564
00:27:15,580 --> 00:27:12,200
witnesses and that culminated into bill

565
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:15,590
Moore's book about graz well and then

566
00:27:20,170 --> 00:27:17,810
and then Stanton wrote a book and all

567
00:27:22,270 --> 00:27:20,180
kinds of books came and when it got huge

568
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:22,280
then everybody started to know about

569
00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:26,240
Roswell and some Roswell got so big that

570
00:27:30,910 --> 00:27:29,390
this congressman I asked what's going on

571
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:30,920
here everybody's talking about Roswell

572
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:35,120
what is this and so in 1994 and it was

573
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:37,910
updated in 95 the Air Force wrote this

574
00:27:44,590 --> 00:27:40,610
long paper something like 300 pages

575
00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:44,600
about they thought Roswell was really I

576
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:48,580
feel it not that great of a

577
00:27:52,990 --> 00:27:51,050
investigation they didn't talk to a lot

578
00:27:55,060 --> 00:27:53,000
of the important with witnesses they

579
00:27:57,790 --> 00:27:55,070
didn't talk to ourselves just you some

580
00:28:00,190 --> 00:27:57,800
of the things he said one of the other

581
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:00,200
things that's important is do boy

582
00:28:08,530 --> 00:28:04,490
DuBose who's in the picture with Ramey

583
00:28:12,550 --> 00:28:08,540
mmm-hmm there's a posted this video on

584
00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:12,560
our our story but he has said it was a

585
00:28:14,770 --> 00:28:13,190
cover-up

586
00:28:17,230 --> 00:28:14,780
he said that weather balloon was not

587
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:17,240
what was there it was understood by all

588
00:28:20,140 --> 00:28:18,650
of us in that room that that was a

589
00:28:23,230 --> 00:28:20,150
cover-up

590
00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:23,240
now the Air Force in their analysis said

591
00:28:29,710 --> 00:28:25,820
that it was a cover-up that Ramey

592
00:28:32,980 --> 00:28:29,720
and for some reason had decided to cover

593
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:32,990
up what it really was and call it a

594
00:28:38,830 --> 00:28:35,510
welder boom when it was in reality a

595
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:38,840
project mogul balloon it seems like they

596
00:28:43,630 --> 00:28:41,750
even questioned know whether Ramey would

597
00:28:46,270 --> 00:28:43,640
have even known about project mogul but

598
00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:46,280
they say it was a project mogul balloon

599
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:48,380
and so Ramey didn't want the public to

600
00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:50,570
know about project mogul so he said it

601
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:51,700
was a weather balloon

602
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:55,370
project mogul was it was still a balloon

603
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,410
this was balloons they were launching

604
00:29:01,390 --> 00:28:59,360
that had listening devices on them so

605
00:29:04,060 --> 00:29:01,400
they could listen for Russian

606
00:29:06,850 --> 00:29:04,070
detonations of nuclear bombs so they can

607
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,860
see if they were testing so that's why

608
00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:09,200
they said the cover-up happened but

609
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,350
again you know Jesse Marcel says that

610
00:29:16,420 --> 00:29:14,240
was not a balloon I mean I would have

611
00:29:19,570 --> 00:29:16,430
known the Mogul look like I would have

612
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,580
known what balloons like this was not a

613
00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:21,440
balloon according to Jesse Marcel and

614
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:26,620
other witnesses so and then you have

615
00:29:33,970 --> 00:29:31,370
this memo so people still feel that this

616
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:33,980
memo could be like The Smoking Gun to

617
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:36,010
Roswell that if we can figure out

618
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:38,570
phonetically you know what's on that

619
00:29:44,170 --> 00:29:41,930
memo then we figure out what's going on

620
00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:44,180
with Roswell and that's essentially I

621
00:29:49,030 --> 00:29:47,030
guess what Randall says he was talking

622
00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:49,040
with his friend about is you know if we

623
00:29:54,850 --> 00:29:52,070
could find if we could fund a lab to do

624
00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:54,860
some real research you know because you

625
00:29:58,750 --> 00:29:56,840
know hire some professionals to figure

626
00:30:00,430 --> 00:29:58,760
out what's in in that that would be

627
00:30:02,110 --> 00:30:00,440
really cool and that's when his

628
00:30:08,410 --> 00:30:02,120
colleague decided well I'll offer a

629
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:08,420
$10,000 reward so he does say that in

630
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:10,010
order to get the reward

631
00:30:15,010 --> 00:30:12,410
there must be overwhelming agreement

632
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:15,020
that the result is definitive in the

633
00:30:19,870 --> 00:30:17,510
most of the clear text clear enough that

634
00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:19,880
there is little or no disagreement on

635
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:22,190
what it says cross a broad spectrum

636
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:24,770
people of all opinions whether true

637
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:28,310
believer a complete skeptic now is this

638
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:32,330
the original skin or the original the

639
00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:35,210
original negative is that is that what

640
00:30:49,780 --> 00:30:47,830
and as far as I know that that's the

641
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:49,790
best source if you go to Rudy Act's

642
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:54,050
website for the the best versions of

643
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:56,930
those images and I'm sure on one of his

644
00:31:00,430 --> 00:30:58,130
blog Kevin rink

645
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:00,440
Randall has links to that as well but I

646
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:04,510
have a linked Rudy ACK site here mm-hmm

647
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:07,170
well simple I've complained

648
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:10,140
how can there be a consensus amongst

649
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:13,310
people there's never a consensus point

650
00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:15,690
that that's impossible

651
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:19,140
but Randall then argued that well

652
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:21,930
remember the Roswell slide that when

653
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,810
that placard was deciphered you know

654
00:31:28,670 --> 00:31:26,880
with the Roswell site of course was when

655
00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:28,680
these people found this photo they were

656
00:31:32,150 --> 00:31:30,030
saying was an alien but there's a

657
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:32,160
placard in it but that placard was

658
00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:34,380
quickly deciphered by some people on the

659
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:38,190
internet some great researchers and they

660
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:39,810
even showed me how to do it so I could

661
00:31:42,980 --> 00:31:40,650
do it myself

662
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:42,990
and we all came to the consensus that

663
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:45,050
yes the placard said you know this was a

664
00:31:51,890 --> 00:31:47,340
my fine body of a bit of American

665
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:51,900
essentially a museum display so he

666
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:54,090
argued that you know there was a

667
00:31:59,300 --> 00:31:56,370
consensus about what that placard said

668
00:32:02,900 --> 00:31:59,310
and that the only ones who didn't agree

669
00:32:05,180 --> 00:32:02,910
with what the deciphering of the placard

670
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:05,190
were the people that had a vested

671
00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:08,450
interest in the photo being an alien

672
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:10,860
people like I'm a moose on who never

673
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:13,020
gave up that it's an alien when it

674
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:17,310
obviously is not so and so I think that

675
00:32:24,770 --> 00:32:22,710
indicates that you know if Randall is

676
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:24,780
involved with being able to make the

677
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:28,500
judgement that as long as you know what

678
00:32:34,580 --> 00:32:31,170
he determined are Stauber are on

679
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:34,590
credible researchers who have who have

680
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:37,260
come to a consensus then hopefully

681
00:32:42,890 --> 00:32:41,010
they'll ward this money but and I trust

682
00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:42,900
Kevin Randall I think Karen Randall is

683
00:32:48,020 --> 00:32:45,060
one of the best researchers out there I

684
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:48,030
think he's great very grounded very

685
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:50,910
level-headed he's never given any one

686
00:32:59,180 --> 00:32:55,080
reason I don't think to doubt his his

687
00:33:03,830 --> 00:32:59,190
credibility at all which you can't say

688
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:03,840
for every researcher out there but so

689
00:33:10,550 --> 00:33:06,570
yeah so that's kind of interesting

690
00:33:13,340 --> 00:33:10,560
yeah now it makes me one of the first

691
00:33:15,050 --> 00:33:13,350
things I think of is you know the who

692
00:33:17,030 --> 00:33:15,060
would you go to that would have the best

693
00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:17,040
equipment to decipher this and the first

694
00:33:21,020 --> 00:33:20,190
thing I think of is the FBI or some CIA

695
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:21,030
or something

696
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:23,490
like that would have the best equipment

697
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:26,880
for actually deciphering this first of

698
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:28,770
all it was a boo-boo for him to be

699
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:31,620
holding that in his hand obviously yeah

700
00:33:39,050 --> 00:33:35,370
hence second of all though if that is so

701
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:39,060
that the FBI or CIA or whoever could

702
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:41,730
decipher it would they even bother I

703
00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:45,840
mean you know is it even an issue that

704
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:50,990
there would ever think about or and

705
00:33:59,180 --> 00:33:55,500
another thing is you know about the the

706
00:34:01,280 --> 00:33:59,190
crash itself and you mentioned Kevin

707
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:01,290
Randle just a second ago and last time I

708
00:34:07,010 --> 00:34:05,340
had him on the show I said I told him

709
00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:07,020
what the skeptics often say about

710
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:10,350
Roswell that it hadn't been heard of you

711
00:34:15,169 --> 00:34:12,300
know for years and it just popped up in

712
00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:15,179
1980 when you're you know when Stan Stan

713
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:17,550
Freeman got ahold of it and he said well

714
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:20,460
on the contrary when it first happened

715
00:34:27,110 --> 00:34:22,970
it was like the biggest story of July of

716
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:27,120
1947 they probably was but it it was one

717
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:30,690
of those flash in the pans that as soon

718
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:34,440
as the press release went out to recant

719
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:37,530
it and calling it a weather balloon it

720
00:34:41,870 --> 00:34:39,750
did die like you said you know totally

721
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:41,880
died until it was brought up again and I

722
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:43,980
think I heard that somewhere in Canada

723
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,560
there was some type of publication like

724
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:49,440
in the 1960s or something about it but

725
00:34:55,340 --> 00:34:50,700
other than that that was it was very

726
00:34:59,090 --> 00:34:55,350
little talked about which exactly which

727
00:35:03,200 --> 00:34:59,100
is kind of unusual I think in general

728
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:03,210
because it was such a major broadcast of

729
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:05,880
this thing being found I mean when in

730
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:08,850
time has it ever happened that the Air

731
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,400
Force said they had a disc you know I

732
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:13,440
mean it's just kind of weird that it

733
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,740
just went away so like it did you know

734
00:35:21,350 --> 00:35:18,480
what and you make another great point

735
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,360
and rot why Roswell is important I mean

736
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:23,760
never have we had the Air Force say we

737
00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:26,880
found a UFO except for or a flying

738
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:29,670
saucer which at that time you know

739
00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:32,610
implied an extraterrestrial spacecraft I

740
00:35:35,849 --> 00:35:33,700
mean

741
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,859
at the if you listen Andrew DIAC has it

742
00:35:40,380 --> 00:35:37,599
on its website but if you listen to

743
00:35:42,510 --> 00:35:40,390
those radio broadcasts you know they

744
00:35:44,579 --> 00:35:42,520
make a crowd something like oh you know

745
00:35:46,020 --> 00:35:44,589
we finally know we're finally going to

746
00:35:48,059 --> 00:35:46,030
figure out what are these flying saucers

747
00:35:50,010 --> 00:35:48,069
that have been seen flying all over the

748
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:50,020
country so it was something that people

749
00:35:57,059 --> 00:35:53,530
were were aware of that was going on it

750
00:35:58,829 --> 00:35:57,069
was a new story and the Air Force says

751
00:36:02,220 --> 00:35:58,839
yeah they've captured one we've never

752
00:36:05,549 --> 00:36:02,230
had that so that's what makes makes this

753
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:05,559
a big deal and I think you know makes

754
00:36:11,339 --> 00:36:09,130
all of this a big deal so as far as

755
00:36:14,819 --> 00:36:11,349
would do it yeah I think you've got a

756
00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:14,829
great point I think that doing it this

757
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:17,950
way you would have to have someone who's

758
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:20,890
willing to go to some lab I'm sure there

759
00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:23,339
are some labs that do this sort of thing

760
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:26,470
you know data recovery type specialists

761
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:29,530
that work also on and you know

762
00:36:35,849 --> 00:36:33,839
deciphering material like this but

763
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:35,859
someone would have to want to put the

764
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,530
money up front with the expectation that

765
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:40,720
they'll be able to get it at the end or

766
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:43,690
a lab that does its kind of work but

767
00:36:48,089 --> 00:36:45,609
needed confident enough that they'd be

768
00:36:50,309 --> 00:36:48,099
able to decipher it that they would be

769
00:36:52,799 --> 00:36:50,319
like hey let's do this and and make some

770
00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:52,809
money so yeah but you know we're in a

771
00:36:58,319 --> 00:36:54,670
situation like that ten thousand dollars

772
00:37:01,020 --> 00:36:58,329
is nothing if you went to hire like a

773
00:37:02,849 --> 00:37:01,030
real specialized lab to decipher they'd

774
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:02,859
probably want a retainer of ten thousand

775
00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:05,170
dollars you know just yeah I think so

776
00:37:09,569 --> 00:37:07,869
yeah probably you know I mean I have no

777
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,579
idea what something like this would cost

778
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:11,680
that that seems high but maybe you're

779
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:13,030
right I don't know no I actually

780
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:16,930
contacted a place in Illinois about we

781
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,690
had a conversation and it's still not

782
00:37:25,770 --> 00:37:22,480
completely over yet about the mj-12

783
00:37:27,809 --> 00:37:25,780
papers that were found in a CIA's estate

784
00:37:30,569 --> 00:37:27,819
this is something I brought up a while

785
00:37:33,059 --> 00:37:30,579
back and so I contacted this company and

786
00:37:37,099 --> 00:37:33,069
just to do testing to see if the paper

787
00:37:41,099 --> 00:37:37,109
was from 1947 and the ink they wanted a

788
00:37:43,410 --> 00:37:41,109
$2,500 retainer so I can imagine if

789
00:37:45,089 --> 00:37:43,420
someone is going to try to decipher a

790
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:45,099
letter like that it's going to be big

791
00:37:50,789 --> 00:37:47,890
bucks you know maybe I'm told

792
00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:50,799
wrong and I but before we move off of

793
00:37:55,170 --> 00:37:53,380
this subject I want to stay on it for a

794
00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:55,180
little bit also just to let you know I

795
00:38:01,289 --> 00:37:58,859
had an email today from a listener that

796
00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:01,299
randomly said you know he was a mailman

797
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:04,630
and he delivered mail to this guy and

798
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:08,079
had conversations annex NSA agent and

799
00:38:15,299 --> 00:38:13,359
one day the well not to elaborate

800
00:38:17,609 --> 00:38:15,309
anymore than what he said the mailman

801
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:17,619
said that Roswell did indeed happen with

802
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:20,490
aliens and everything crash and aliens

803
00:38:25,319 --> 00:38:22,930
weather you know I mean I don't know if

804
00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:25,329
I'll get any more information and if

805
00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:30,430
anything can be you know you know if

806
00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:33,400
anything can be elaborated on and if

807
00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:36,700
this guy is is who he says he is and all

808
00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:37,990
that stuff but I thought that was pretty

809
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:41,950
interesting it just happened today yeah

810
00:38:48,750 --> 00:38:46,089
that is interesting so yeah so we'll see

811
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,760
what happens with this hopefully people

812
00:38:52,650 --> 00:38:50,079
pick it up and hopefully it

813
00:38:56,339 --> 00:38:52,660
reinvigorates kind of this search for

814
00:38:58,859 --> 00:38:56,349
what the letter might had said when you

815
00:39:01,079 --> 00:38:58,869
are mentioning the FBI getting involved

816
00:39:03,329 --> 00:39:01,089
or someone going to the FBI maybe this

817
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:03,339
is their opportunity to say you know

818
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:06,180
what we decided to take another look and

819
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,400
you know come up with a virgin something

820
00:39:15,390 --> 00:39:12,160
maybe get seemed like using yelled at

821
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:15,400
like you know what kind of mess are we

822
00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:19,089
in you guys have made this us the

823
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:23,950
victims of the wreck of this disaster of

824
00:39:31,499 --> 00:39:27,849
the press release you know we're gonna

825
00:39:33,749 --> 00:39:31,509
stick this disc where the Sun won't

826
00:39:35,789 --> 00:39:33,759
shine or something like that you know to

827
00:39:38,730 --> 00:39:35,799
to kind of make it seem like it was

828
00:39:40,650 --> 00:39:38,740
something others and what it really may

829
00:39:42,269 --> 00:39:40,660
have been but who knows I think it's

830
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:42,279
really interesting what they think they

831
00:39:52,380 --> 00:39:49,500
see so far yeah and yeah I mean it's

832
00:39:58,529 --> 00:39:52,390
something that you know we'll talk about

833
00:40:01,440 --> 00:39:58,539
quite often so yeah Roswell has a lot of

834
00:40:01,770 --> 00:40:01,450
moving parts it's it's um it's one of

835
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:01,780
those

836
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:04,480
things that that obviously is never

837
00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:08,830
going to die but I wonder sometimes what

838
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:11,260
will Roswell be a hundred years from now

839
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,520
if we never actually get the evidence

840
00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:17,680
that you know something indeed really

841
00:40:23,610 --> 00:40:20,440
did happen if we never get the full-on

842
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:23,620
evidence because so much of it is turned

843
00:40:28,650 --> 00:40:27,490
into mythology and you go to Roswell

844
00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:28,660
every year matter of fact you're doing

845
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:32,200
talk there you can say mention a little

846
00:40:37,590 --> 00:40:35,050
bit about that coming up in a few weeks

847
00:40:39,570 --> 00:40:37,600
you're going to be out there and so you

848
00:40:43,350 --> 00:40:39,580
know what I'm talking about like there's

849
00:40:46,830 --> 00:40:43,360
a lot of this that just gets into pop

850
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:46,840
culture and and gets distorted which

851
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:48,910
makes me wonder what the Roswell future

852
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:52,510
is yeah you know what's interesting is

853
00:40:59,130 --> 00:40:56,250
is Roswell is definitely kind of a it's

854
00:41:01,050 --> 00:40:59,140
interesting to see for instance when

855
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:01,060
people come to and it's kind of like her

856
00:41:07,170 --> 00:41:04,240
power field is in general when people

857
00:41:11,310 --> 00:41:07,180
come to Roswell they have ideas about

858
00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:11,320
UFOs and Roswell even though many of

859
00:41:17,250 --> 00:41:14,620
them haven't read a book maybe they've

860
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:17,260
seen movies maybe a couple episodes of a

861
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:19,990
documentary and that's about it but

862
00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:23,400
people just kind of get these ideas it

863
00:41:29,940 --> 00:41:27,190
represents how they feel about the

864
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:29,950
possibility or likelihood that we're

865
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,110
being visited by ayiti right now and

866
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,880
that makes it kind of interesting and

867
00:41:42,330 --> 00:41:38,560
it's interesting that you know some

868
00:41:44,490 --> 00:41:42,340
people would you know when they see you

869
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:44,500
know just here very likely that

870
00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:46,990
supposedly this UFO crash and there were

871
00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:49,390
aliens in it oh yeah that happened and

872
00:41:52,890 --> 00:41:51,190
just right immediately they can believe

873
00:41:57,350 --> 00:41:52,900
it and think that it probably happened

874
00:42:00,750 --> 00:41:57,360
whereas others are immediately skeptical

875
00:42:02,850 --> 00:42:00,760
where and others you know I like and

876
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:02,860
like for me it makes me want to look

877
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:05,410
more into it really who says this you

878
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:10,330
know why do people leave this so I mean

879
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:13,090
you get to see how belief systems work

880
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:15,849
and how different people operate

881
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:17,890
which i think is really important

882
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:20,770
because really when it comes to world

883
00:42:27,059 --> 00:42:24,910
views or the elections and all of the

884
00:42:30,359 --> 00:42:27,069
the talk that's going on right now is a

885
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:30,369
great example the direction a society

886
00:42:38,370 --> 00:42:34,720
moves in is based off of beliefs and

887
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:38,380
concepts and ideas that don't

888
00:42:44,819 --> 00:42:41,290
necessarily need to be rooted in any but

889
00:42:50,430 --> 00:42:44,829
in its reality but it's a belief you

890
00:42:52,859 --> 00:42:50,440
know a lot of countries are governed by

891
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:52,869
their religions and that pushes them

892
00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:55,599
forward or that motivates their decision

893
00:43:00,539 --> 00:42:58,030
making for us you know there's debates

894
00:43:02,549 --> 00:43:00,549
about climate change there's debates

895
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:02,559
about everything

896
00:43:07,859 --> 00:43:05,470
there's conspiracies about Trump and

897
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:07,869
Hillary and Obama there's conspiracies

898
00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:10,839
about everybody about you know some

899
00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:12,790
ominous things they may or may not have

900
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:16,750
been related to that how people decide

901
00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:19,990
why they do what they do so these kind

902
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:24,520
of things that these leave system are

903
00:43:29,490 --> 00:43:28,150
important when it comes to to you know

904
00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:29,500
what's gonna happen in the future so

905
00:43:33,630 --> 00:43:31,960
what people think of Roswell in the

906
00:43:35,609 --> 00:43:33,640
future I think will be important as to

907
00:43:39,329 --> 00:43:35,619
especially what people think of this

908
00:43:44,609 --> 00:43:39,339
field or you know how much they may

909
00:43:46,650 --> 00:43:44,619
divert from belief in science and or

910
00:43:52,349 --> 00:43:46,660
governments I think one of the things

911
00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:52,359
that we've seen and especially I I feel

912
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:55,420
and others may disagree and I and I

913
00:43:58,530 --> 00:43:57,130
don't mean this to mean that it's you

914
00:44:01,400 --> 00:43:58,540
know all the Republicans but it

915
00:44:05,549 --> 00:44:01,410
certainly during the Bush era and during

916
00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:05,559
when defense lost all that money you

917
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:07,780
know and Rumsfeld was having to hand her

918
00:44:11,309 --> 00:44:09,910
for these millions and billions of

919
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:11,319
dollars that the defense couldn't

920
00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:14,410
account for during that period of time

921
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:18,390
it's especially it seems like people

922
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:23,049
began to really just be skeptical of the

923
00:44:27,799 --> 00:44:24,490
government and everything that they have

924
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:27,809
to say and that has not been repaired

925
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,400
and I think

926
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:31,520
you know for us working in this field

927
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:35,250
just like Ramey lying about the weather

928
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,060
balloon

929
00:44:42,820 --> 00:44:38,640
we've all kind of opened our eyes and

930
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:42,830
come to this realization that the

931
00:44:48,070 --> 00:44:45,240
government isn't necessarily gonna tell

932
00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:48,080
the truth you know neither are companies

933
00:44:56,330 --> 00:44:51,720
that there's a knee-jerk reaction to lie

934
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:56,340
or to keep secrets and so that leaves us

935
00:45:03,200 --> 00:44:59,490
I think disillusioned and sort of and

936
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:03,210
skeptical and so that can be damaging

937
00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:04,770
Jacques Vallee used to talk a lot about

938
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,750
this sort of idea and and so when you

939
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:11,400
take primates for instance when

940
00:45:15,890 --> 00:45:13,560
scientists are saying one thing or the

941
00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:15,900
EPA or NASA is saying one thing and

942
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:18,630
people are deciding not to believe that

943
00:45:28,570 --> 00:45:25,050
in mass you know it sure shows then how

944
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:28,580
much of an influence those traditional

945
00:45:35,090 --> 00:45:30,930
influencers have had and how that's

946
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:35,100
waning and then so what becomes the

947
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:37,530
influencers out there who knows maybe

948
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:40,650
you'll have someone like Stephen Bassett

949
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:45,510
running on a et platform and using

950
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:48,090
things like the mj-12 files which I

951
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:52,640
think are highly biased and and not

952
00:45:59,180 --> 00:45:57,660
whatsoever in my own opinion or research

953
00:46:02,690 --> 00:45:59,190
or let's say something else some other

954
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:02,700
mythology that that is created maybe the

955
00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:05,640
Roswell slides for instance that that

956
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:07,500
becomes where everybody starts believing

957
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:11,040
that really was an alien I mean what I'm

958
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:13,530
getting at is that that the mass is in

959
00:46:20,540 --> 00:46:17,940
their their beliefs can wane an ebb and

960
00:46:24,070 --> 00:46:20,550
flow and it doesn't necessarily have to

961
00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:24,080
be based off of science or anything so

962
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:27,150
who knows Roswell could bergeon into

963
00:46:31,340 --> 00:46:28,290
something huge

964
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:31,350
or it can be furthered to bunk and and

965
00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:33,660
be something that's seen as more of a

966
00:46:38,990 --> 00:46:36,750
joke but at least right now I think the

967
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:39,000
trend is for people to take this sort of

968
00:46:43,310 --> 00:46:40,650
stuff more seriously

969
00:46:46,820 --> 00:46:43,320
well you know I wonder also

970
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:46,830
if there's any other Roswell's out there

971
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:50,070
in other words something that happened

972
00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:53,070
somewhere along the line in was covered

973
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,190
up quickly and we just haven't found out

974
00:47:02,090 --> 00:46:59,040
I wonder if you know it's possible that

975
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:02,100
someday another Roswell will land on the

976
00:47:08,090 --> 00:47:05,760
UFO doorstep that yeah you know

977
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:08,100
something happened and and was quickly

978
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:12,330
changed you know I don't you know

979
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:16,350
because here I consider Roswell I mean

980
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:19,410
most skeptics and people that really pay

981
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,210
attention to this topic of this topic

982
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:24,480
that it's it's probably the most

983
00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:27,660
important case at least in American

984
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,750
history as far as UFOs go and it was

985
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:33,200
unknown for all those years

986
00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:36,060
excuse me what else could be unknown out

987
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:39,870
there yeah yeah I mean it's possible it

988
00:47:49,580 --> 00:47:47,130
could be something that's uncovered you

989
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:49,590
know via something like WikiLeaks I mean

990
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:52,980
for example there are little files in

991
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:55,170
there not a whole lot but George Knapp

992
00:48:02,270 --> 00:47:58,560
even today put posted on Facebook of

993
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:02,280
WikiLeaks of a beaten UFO sighting

994
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:04,020
that's some thing

995
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:07,020
WikiLeaks didn't just that this file was

996
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,460
posted something like three ago but it's

997
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:12,960
just something that hasn't gotten a lot

998
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,180
of attention and it's short it doesn't

999
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:17,520
say a whole lot some people have

1000
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:19,050
reported reciting but it's an

1001
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:22,500
interesting biting so if you know a

1002
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:25,170
WikiLeaks file reports something that

1003
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:44,420
b-back says she yep yeah it says she put

1004
00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:46,680
me on hold yeah sorry about that I was

1005
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:48,420
trying to take a call and I pushed the

1006
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:52,920
wrong button yeah and so caller if if

1007
00:49:00,559 --> 00:48:56,460
you if sorry hung up on you if you want

1008
00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:00,569
to try again I'll try to click the right

1009
00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:03,390
button this time so along those lines we

1010
00:49:08,029 --> 00:49:05,339
had a question come in by email this

1011
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:08,039
week that asks what do you what if

1012
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:12,420
anything did Gary McKinnon see now Gary

1013
00:49:21,260 --> 00:49:16,670
McKinnon was a hacker that broke into

1014
00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:21,270
was it NSA do you remember who we we've

1015
00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:23,160
got a story on it and I think it's one

1016
00:49:29,809 --> 00:49:26,760
of the best stories he broke into I know

1017
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:29,819
at JPL I would have to look I can't

1018
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:36,530
remember all of the ones I'll look it up

1019
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:37,950
eventually

1020
00:49:43,849 --> 00:49:41,220
he broke into a couple places and one of

1021
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:43,859
them and these were like NASA and stuff

1022
00:49:52,029 --> 00:49:46,410
like that now these are claims what he

1023
00:49:55,010 --> 00:49:52,039
claims to have seen or hacked into and

1024
00:49:57,769 --> 00:49:55,020
and one of the hard parts is and people

1025
00:50:04,430 --> 00:49:57,779
get mad at me for saying this but if you

1026
00:50:07,069 --> 00:50:04,440
look at my story I reference giver

1027
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:07,079
MacKinnon's comments himself because I

1028
00:50:09,410 --> 00:50:08,760
essentially wanted to figure this out

1029
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:09,420
too

1030
00:50:13,339 --> 00:50:11,910
what did he actually say that he saw

1031
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:13,349
because I didn't think there was a good

1032
00:50:18,859 --> 00:50:15,930
story out there for that so I did a lot

1033
00:50:21,049 --> 00:50:18,869
of research to find out from his own

1034
00:50:25,279 --> 00:50:21,059
mouth not just what other people were

1035
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:25,289
saying what he said and essentially he

1036
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:28,380
says he was drunk and stoned the entire

1037
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:32,579
time he was doing this hacking in and it

1038
00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:35,220
wasn't like he was this major mastermind

1039
00:50:46,220 --> 00:50:42,150
hacker he was looking able to build this

1040
00:50:49,010 --> 00:50:46,230
this software that would go in and look

1041
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:49,020
for computers that essentially hadn't

1042
00:50:54,019 --> 00:50:51,960
set their password and user name so it

1043
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:54,029
was looking for like the username

1044
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:55,310
username and

1045
00:51:00,070 --> 00:50:58,130
sort of password you know it's looking

1046
00:51:03,370 --> 00:51:00,080
for computers where people hadn't set

1047
00:51:06,370 --> 00:51:03,380
their usernames and it was at a level to

1048
00:51:08,530 --> 00:51:06,380
where you know these are computers that

1049
00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:08,540
were accessible that were in the deep

1050
00:51:14,980 --> 00:51:12,230
firewalls and stuff so the computer

1051
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:14,990
systems belong to NASA the army the Navy

1052
00:51:21,010 --> 00:51:17,510
the Department of Defense and the Air

1053
00:51:28,590 --> 00:51:21,020
Force what he says he found he says he

1054
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:28,600
found a satellite picture of a UFO and

1055
00:51:36,970 --> 00:51:33,770
that he this was a time period of

1056
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:36,980
dial-up and that he was looking at it

1057
00:51:41,770 --> 00:51:39,290
but before he could download it he was

1058
00:51:43,780 --> 00:51:41,780
busted and they turned him off so that

1059
00:51:45,490 --> 00:51:43,790
should have indicated to him hey you

1060
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:45,500
know they they know you're looking but

1061
00:51:52,540 --> 00:51:48,170
he kept he kept looking anyway here's

1062
00:51:55,150 --> 00:51:52,550
his exact quote - he that was smoking a

1063
00:51:58,720 --> 00:51:55,160
lot of dope at the time not good for the

1064
00:52:00,490 --> 00:51:58,730
intellect the other thing that he said

1065
00:52:04,210 --> 00:52:00,500
he saw is he broke into you a Space

1066
00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:04,220
Command and he saw said he saw a roster

1067
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:11,480
of non-terrestrial officers and to him

1068
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:13,070
that makes him believe that perhaps

1069
00:52:19,330 --> 00:52:17,270
there's a space program out there that

1070
00:52:23,230 --> 00:52:19,340
is going on and that's why these guys

1071
00:52:25,570 --> 00:52:23,240
were called non-terrestrial officers you

1072
00:52:27,070 --> 00:52:25,580
know nobody's Space Command hasn't said

1073
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:27,080
we do have non-terrestrial officers

1074
00:52:33,460 --> 00:52:29,810
nobody's kind of said what that means or

1075
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:33,470
if he even saw that there are rumors

1076
00:52:41,950 --> 00:52:38,330
that he saw but the transfer logs of the

1077
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:41,960
names of ships that are like space ships

1078
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:46,490
the USS for like United States space

1079
00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:51,550
ship LeMay and the USS Hillen Cotter and

1080
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:54,200
these are names of people who allegedly

1081
00:53:01,120 --> 00:52:58,480
have been related to UFO issues however

1082
00:53:02,860 --> 00:53:01,130
that is just a rumor that is not

1083
00:53:05,650 --> 00:53:02,870
something that Gary McKinnon said

1084
00:53:08,740 --> 00:53:05,660
himself so essentially that's about it

1085
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:08,750
you know he was inspired by Steven Greer

1086
00:53:10,930 --> 00:53:09,110
and the

1087
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:10,940
closure project which is kind of funny

1088
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:14,930
because so was i but to get into all of

1089
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:18,050
this the disclosure project itself but

1090
00:53:21,790 --> 00:53:19,310
that's about it

1091
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:21,800
so there's not much that he said and he

1092
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:23,090
doesn't remember much

1093
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:26,720
and he didn't download anything because

1094
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:28,610
he was drunk and stoned the whole time

1095
00:53:33,490 --> 00:53:31,850
he was doing it is and these are his

1096
00:53:37,060 --> 00:53:33,500
words so you can go to the store it's

1097
00:53:39,130 --> 00:53:37,070
called what did UFO hacker really fine

1098
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:39,140
I've got a story on this and I've got

1099
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:41,810
links to all of my references to his

1100
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:45,050
interviews where he's talked about what

1101
00:53:51,010 --> 00:53:48,530
he actually saw the sad thing is is it

1102
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:51,020
was kind of funny because when they

1103
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:54,010
busted him they came to his house and

1104
00:53:59,020 --> 00:53:57,110
they took him away and they offered him

1105
00:54:00,460 --> 00:53:59,030
a really good deal that could have saved

1106
00:54:02,350 --> 00:54:00,470
him a lot of headache they offered him

1107
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:02,360
something like six months probation or

1108
00:54:07,060 --> 00:54:04,610
something if he just admits to it and

1109
00:54:11,770 --> 00:54:07,070
stuff and he thought he would be cool

1110
00:54:12,940 --> 00:54:11,780
and he said no I don't think you're

1111
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:12,950
gonna bust me because I've got

1112
00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:15,710
information you don't want out there and

1113
00:54:21,580 --> 00:54:18,260
they were like oh yeah what information

1114
00:54:23,950 --> 00:54:21,590
and of course all he had was this and so

1115
00:54:26,740 --> 00:54:23,960
they said no and threw the book at him

1116
00:54:28,510 --> 00:54:26,750
and we're going to extradite him and and

1117
00:54:30,490 --> 00:54:28,520
you know throw him in jail for like 20

1118
00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:30,500
years or something like that

1119
00:54:37,350 --> 00:54:32,390
he won his case where he didn't get

1120
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:37,360
extradited however they weren't afraid

1121
00:54:45,070 --> 00:54:42,290
whatsoever of the this information that

1122
00:54:46,090 --> 00:54:45,080
he thought they would be afraid to get

1123
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:46,100
out Wow

1124
00:54:52,180 --> 00:54:47,690
so that's the side of the story I've

1125
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:52,190
never heard yeah and and so that just

1126
00:54:57,550 --> 00:54:54,650
goes to show that how things can get

1127
00:54:59,620 --> 00:54:57,560
distorted yeah they're really distorted

1128
00:55:03,550 --> 00:54:59,630
out there because now especially about

1129
00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:03,560
you know in some circles out there it's

1130
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:06,800
like a given that the u.s. SS LeMay and

1131
00:55:10,420 --> 00:55:09,050
the u.s. SS hill and Cotter are flying

1132
00:55:13,690 --> 00:55:10,430
around out there and there are these

1133
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:13,700
giant spaceships with with you know

1134
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:18,770
these these non-terrestrial officers and

1135
00:55:24,819 --> 00:55:20,930
military personnel on there and

1136
00:55:27,309 --> 00:55:24,829
and everything but no those were rumors

1137
00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:27,319
I think I know where those rumors stem

1138
00:55:35,230 --> 00:55:31,030
from and the person who said them and

1139
00:55:37,450 --> 00:55:35,240
made that rumor popular I asked him

1140
00:55:38,530 --> 00:55:37,460
where did you hear that and he said I

1141
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:38,540
don't know I think I heard that

1142
00:55:42,910 --> 00:55:40,730
somewhere and it's unfortunate because

1143
00:55:46,690 --> 00:55:42,920
then this person goes out there and

1144
00:55:48,339 --> 00:55:46,700
talks about it and you know these people

1145
00:55:49,569 --> 00:55:48,349
believe what this person has to say and

1146
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:49,579
I won't see his name because I don't

1147
00:55:55,690 --> 00:55:51,650
want to you know trash him or anything

1148
00:56:01,540 --> 00:55:55,700
but yeah this person is just an older

1149
00:56:04,299 --> 00:56:01,550
person who his memory is a bit faulty

1150
00:56:05,859 --> 00:56:04,309
and he goes out there and oxygen shows a

1151
00:56:08,859 --> 00:56:05,869
bunch of pictures and said they're from

1152
00:56:10,690 --> 00:56:08,869
these words they're not this is someone

1153
00:56:12,819 --> 00:56:10,700
who's old enough where they never got on

1154
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:12,829
the internet so they don't know that you

1155
00:56:16,990 --> 00:56:14,510
know on the internet you can find the

1156
00:56:18,430 --> 00:56:17,000
real places these come from but

1157
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,440
unfortunately a lot of people take

1158
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:20,960
people at their word and don't do the

1159
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:22,490
research and believe everything that

1160
00:56:28,030 --> 00:56:25,010
they have to say and can you say his

1161
00:56:31,059 --> 00:56:28,040
first name like in a cough no just guys

1162
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:31,069
no okay well thank you I'm gonna give

1163
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:35,450
you absolutely no I'm gonna tried it

1164
00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:36,890
this guy that's been trying to call the

1165
00:56:42,339 --> 00:56:40,040
call us I'm gonna try to dial out so

1166
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:42,349
have patience I hope this isn't one of

1167
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:44,690
these things that crash is I'm gonna try

1168
00:56:50,530 --> 00:56:48,410
to dial him so Phil I'm gonna try to

1169
00:56:59,410 --> 00:56:50,540
dial yet here we go I'm gonna try to add

1170
00:57:03,910 --> 00:56:59,420
you I have no idea what's gonna happen

1171
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:03,920
when I press the send button could be

1172
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:07,760
goodbye to Alejandro we'll see now how

1173
00:57:18,010 --> 00:57:14,140
nothing's happening well I just did it

1174
00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:18,020
on ad trying to add the call and okay I

1175
00:57:22,450 --> 00:57:20,510
guess we're not gonna be able to waste

1176
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:22,460
any of the time whoops that didn't do

1177
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:22,970
anything

1178
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:26,650
all right sorry about that Phil we tried

1179
00:57:34,690 --> 00:57:31,609
okay so I'm gonna ask you to let's see

1180
00:57:36,849 --> 00:57:34,700
he wanted to know this is in the message

1181
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,859
bored he wanted to talk about the Frank

1182
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:39,200
Edwards book and the UFO thing that

1183
00:57:43,930 --> 00:57:41,410
happened in his home town which is

1184
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:43,940
Michigan I believe do you know anything

1185
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:54,490
No however the Frank Edwards book is a

1186
00:57:59,950 --> 00:57:57,170
lot of very dubious information so I

1187
00:58:02,680 --> 00:57:59,960
think he's talking about if I'm thinking

1188
00:58:06,670 --> 00:58:02,690
about the right book it's like one of

1189
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:06,680
the very first UFO books Oh an early one

1190
00:58:16,930 --> 00:58:15,410
mm-hmm well I'm not sure no I can't

1191
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:16,940
think of what that is anyway so I

1192
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:22,609
apologize yeah so there's so many

1193
00:58:27,819 --> 00:58:24,310
different directions we can take this

1194
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:27,829
this show in and we're right at the top

1195
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:33,920
of the hour so I wanted to talk a little

1196
00:58:39,490 --> 00:58:36,770
bit about the different kind of groups

1197
00:58:41,319 --> 00:58:39,500
that sort of do not collaborate we don't

1198
00:58:44,290 --> 00:58:41,329
really have to get into that right right

1199
00:58:49,170 --> 00:58:44,300
away there are some questions that came

1200
00:58:51,490 --> 00:58:49,180
in I'm going to ask one of them here

1201
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:51,500
from Carrie who sends us a lot of

1202
00:59:02,800 --> 00:58:59,599
questions and have let's see have any

1203
00:59:05,290 --> 00:59:02,810
incidents or guests on is talking to

1204
00:59:08,020 --> 00:59:05,300
either one of us on your show influenced

1205
00:59:12,250 --> 00:59:08,030
your personal beliefs or perspectives on

1206
00:59:14,260 --> 00:59:12,260
the UFO subject if so how can you think

1207
00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:14,270
of anyone Alejandro and I'm gonna think

1208
00:59:22,510 --> 00:59:18,260
ponder that while you have you know I

1209
00:59:24,730 --> 00:59:22,520
would say most most guests however

1210
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:24,740
skeptical I have of what they have to

1211
00:59:31,450 --> 00:59:28,490
say I you know I listen with an open

1212
00:59:35,410 --> 00:59:31,460
mind and an open heart and I mean I

1213
00:59:39,099 --> 00:59:35,420
truly respect everyone that I interview

1214
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:39,109
and I would say most of them have

1215
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,650
something to say that makes me rethink

1216
00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:44,240
things that make me change my

1217
00:59:51,450 --> 00:59:47,400
perspective a little bit I think

1218
00:59:53,609 --> 00:59:51,460
often even some of the people you don't

1219
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:53,619
see eye-to-eye with the most at least

1220
00:59:57,630 --> 00:59:55,570
you have something that you agree on or

1221
01:00:00,680 --> 00:59:57,640
they have some piece of wisdom that

1222
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:00,690
makes you scratch your head or think so

1223
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:04,000
yeah I would have to say most of the

1224
01:00:11,250 --> 01:00:06,490
guests I think so for instance let's

1225
01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:11,260
think about a recent guest so I had Paul

1226
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:16,390
dong on recently or Paul Dini I was

1227
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:18,490
talking about Paul Don that was you

1228
01:00:22,530 --> 01:00:19,839
missed that part that was part of the

1229
01:00:25,980 --> 01:00:22,540
Chinese thing but I had Paul Dehn and he

1230
01:00:31,339 --> 01:00:25,990
was talking about you know who in the

1231
01:00:35,250 --> 01:00:31,349
government has been looking for UFOs and

1232
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:35,260
and where are those files going because

1233
01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:37,570
we know just because the Air Force says

1234
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:39,849
they don't look at UFOs and the FAA says

1235
01:00:44,250 --> 01:00:42,250
they don't look at UFOs they're looking

1236
01:00:46,410 --> 01:00:44,260
at there's no doubt they're looking at

1237
01:00:49,140 --> 01:00:46,420
something that would be of concern they

1238
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:49,150
can't be that inept that they would be

1239
01:00:54,270 --> 01:00:51,609
completely not paying attention to

1240
01:00:58,170 --> 01:00:54,280
things that are being reported in the

1241
01:01:01,260 --> 01:00:58,180
sky that you know could be something

1242
01:01:03,540 --> 01:01:01,270
that could be threat and so you know

1243
01:01:04,770 --> 01:01:03,550
he's been following this string to find

1244
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:04,780
what those aren't you've had him on the

1245
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:09,130
show so he brought up a prep three which

1246
01:01:18,329 --> 01:01:14,890
is this this channel to report important

1247
01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:18,339
information like that he said it's been

1248
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:20,800
changed and closed but there's there's a

1249
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:22,450
route that I didn't know of that's

1250
01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:25,150
fascinating Paul Stonehill who we were

1251
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:27,670
talking about talking about the Soviet

1252
01:01:34,170 --> 01:01:31,450
UFO bile but unwatered cases I think

1253
01:01:36,930 --> 01:01:34,180
what was really interesting with him was

1254
01:01:40,050 --> 01:01:36,940
you know he can name off I especially

1255
01:01:47,130 --> 01:01:40,060
find it interesting that he has spoken

1256
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:47,140
to so many ex Soviet military who are

1257
01:01:52,349 --> 01:01:50,530
really into UFOs and you know believe

1258
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:52,359
that there there's something to the

1259
01:01:58,260 --> 01:01:55,839
topic that is fascinating because that's

1260
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,270
something that I didn't know before so I

1261
01:02:04,290 --> 01:02:00,640
would say most

1262
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:04,300
I'm kind of a now guy you I most paying

1263
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:05,770
attention to what's going on right now

1264
01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:10,690
out there so that's why you know the

1265
01:02:15,930 --> 01:02:13,150
most recent things come to mind when I

1266
01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:15,940
think of this sort of stuff but gap

1267
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:18,070
practically every guest makes me think

1268
01:02:24,990 --> 01:02:22,000
or changes my perspective in some way

1269
01:02:27,150 --> 01:02:25,000
mm-hmm well I myself have to say that

1270
01:02:30,510 --> 01:02:27,160
you know there are a few that have stood

1271
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:30,520
out but I don't feel actually like I'm

1272
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:33,760
any closer to knowing anything about the

1273
01:02:39,690 --> 01:02:36,880
topic then I was to begin with you know

1274
01:02:42,270 --> 01:02:39,700
just but I love hearing you know the

1275
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:42,280
different guests thoughts on what could

1276
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:45,520
possibly be happening and I listened

1277
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:48,400
briefly to Paul II know he does a show

1278
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:52,090
Paul and his son Ben and I listened

1279
01:02:57,450 --> 01:02:55,450
recently to him talk on a show and I

1280
01:03:02,000 --> 01:02:57,460
have to get him back on my show because

1281
01:03:06,420 --> 01:03:02,010
he has a theory of everything which is a

1282
01:03:09,290 --> 01:03:06,430
connection of everything which it was

1283
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:09,300
late at night I was listening and

1284
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:12,130
whatever he was saying it made me

1285
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,310
scratch my his head and say wow you know

1286
01:03:20,610 --> 01:03:17,440
I could have never thought of that

1287
01:03:23,210 --> 01:03:20,620
and so I promise I'm gonna reach out to

1288
01:03:26,190 --> 01:03:23,220
him and get him on the show fairly soon

1289
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:26,200
and see if I can get him to talk about

1290
01:03:32,690 --> 01:03:27,970
that on this show but it was it was

1291
01:03:35,970 --> 01:03:32,700
fascinating I have a theory of nothing

1292
01:03:37,620 --> 01:03:35,980
nothing's related so if you were to meet

1293
01:03:40,290 --> 01:03:37,630
a Bigfoot and say hey Bigfoot what do

1294
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:40,300
you know about UFOs and and ghosts he

1295
01:03:45,150 --> 01:03:42,880
would say nothing I don't even believe a

1296
01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:45,160
while what do you know and and same if

1297
01:03:48,690 --> 01:03:46,750
you sat down with a ghost and said what

1298
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:48,700
do you know about Bigfoot or UFOs atps

1299
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:51,370
like there's no such thing so I don't

1300
01:03:56,490 --> 01:03:53,290
think they they know are related to each

1301
01:03:58,170 --> 01:03:56,500
other at all well okay I'm kidding I

1302
01:03:59,040 --> 01:03:58,180
don't know that's that's good that's

1303
01:04:02,700 --> 01:03:59,050
good

1304
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:02,710
no I I like you know some of the guests

1305
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,570
that have stood out I mean there there

1306
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:06,400
are many some recent guests up I

1307
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:10,570
actually really liked our last week how

1308
01:04:17,970 --> 01:04:15,310
last week's guest Ron yup he was gray

1309
01:04:20,460 --> 01:04:17,980
the Chris melon I thought was pretty

1310
01:04:23,309 --> 01:04:20,470
good actually interesting very

1311
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:23,319
interesting to talk to and and David

1312
01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:26,530
Marlar stands out as someone really

1313
01:04:30,750 --> 01:04:27,790
important to me

1314
01:04:32,970 --> 01:04:30,760
someone really solid and Kevin Randall

1315
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:32,980
you mentioned him but these are all

1316
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:34,810
people that have really these are all

1317
01:04:40,170 --> 01:04:37,089
really intelligent people to have good

1318
01:04:43,109 --> 01:04:40,180
insight but it's all still guessing

1319
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:43,119
I mean guessing with the evidence that

1320
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:47,530
we have really yeah Marlar will be in

1321
01:04:51,059 --> 01:04:49,839
Roswell I'll be there speaking you

1322
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:51,069
mentioned I'll be speaking for the

1323
01:04:55,890 --> 01:04:53,260
Roswell Daily Record which was a

1324
01:04:58,140 --> 01:04:55,900
newspaper that you know the famous

1325
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,150
newspaper cover you see from the Roswell

1326
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:00,640
Daily Record about the UFO I'll be

1327
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:03,849
speaking for that newspaper Marlar isn't

1328
01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:05,770
going to be speaking unfortunately but I

1329
01:05:10,290 --> 01:05:07,270
heard he's going to be out there just to

1330
01:05:12,750 --> 01:05:10,300
kind of hang out with people when I was

1331
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:12,760
running these talks for the city

1332
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:15,910
I had Marlar come out and speak but I'm

1333
01:05:21,329 --> 01:05:17,849
no longer running the Roswell talk so

1334
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,339
but Roswell I believe Marlar will also

1335
01:05:27,690 --> 01:05:23,440
be speaking at MUFON and I'll be

1336
01:05:30,540 --> 01:05:27,700
speaking there as well oh yeah August in

1337
01:05:32,790 --> 01:05:30,550
Florida he'll be speaking I think Marla

1338
01:05:37,079 --> 01:05:32,800
is great too yeah yeah he definitely

1339
01:05:40,589 --> 01:05:37,089
stands out and you know it's it's

1340
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:40,599
interesting to just how some people are

1341
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:43,690
just very very careful and some people

1342
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:46,569
are not and I'd consider him you know

1343
01:05:52,020 --> 01:05:48,970
someone that's very cautious and and the

1344
01:05:56,490 --> 01:05:52,030
work that they do yeah I agree

1345
01:06:00,059 --> 01:05:56,500
and the reason I appreciate that is you

1346
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:00,069
know anybody can speculate all day and I

1347
01:06:05,309 --> 01:06:01,810
don't think there's a problem with

1348
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:05,319
speculation that's great it's fun to sit

1349
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:08,319
around with and to speculate or even to

1350
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:10,210
look like it's like we do sometimes and

1351
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:15,010
speculate however what I do does get

1352
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:17,890
frustrating to me is some people feel

1353
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:19,810
that their speculation is better than

1354
01:06:27,569 --> 01:06:22,810
others and that they can sit up there

1355
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:27,579
and speculate and you have to subscribe

1356
01:06:32,779 --> 01:06:28,380
to their space

1357
01:06:34,970 --> 01:06:32,789
chelation so much so that they sell

1358
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:34,980
their speculation as if it's knowledge

1359
01:06:40,339 --> 01:06:37,049
and that's really frustrating and

1360
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:40,349
egotistical to me I think we need to do

1361
01:06:46,279 --> 01:06:43,920
I prefer the people like Marla or others

1362
01:06:49,809 --> 01:06:46,289
that that are sharing you know research

1363
01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:49,819
and information and respecting everyone

1364
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:55,529
for their speculation I mean that's I

1365
01:07:00,380 --> 01:06:57,359
just and that's one of the reasons I

1366
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:00,390
like to put out information because I

1367
01:07:05,509 --> 01:07:02,490
just think you need to be respectful of

1368
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:05,519
everybody's speculation and that

1369
01:07:11,210 --> 01:07:07,650
everybody has the opportunity and the

1370
01:07:14,180 --> 01:07:11,220
right to and I just don't like some of

1371
01:07:16,819 --> 01:07:14,190
these people who are they seem real

1372
01:07:19,759 --> 01:07:16,829
oppressive with their speculation well

1373
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:19,769
I'm glad you brought that up because it

1374
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:22,710
kind of is a good segue into something I

1375
01:07:28,460 --> 01:07:25,680
wanted to discuss a little bit and that

1376
01:07:31,970 --> 01:07:28,470
is I don't want to use the word clicky

1377
01:07:37,609 --> 01:07:31,980
but there seems to be different camps in

1378
01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:37,619
the UFO field and they seem to shun one

1379
01:07:45,859 --> 01:07:42,660
another or ignore one another and I'm

1380
01:07:47,299 --> 01:07:45,869
just going to some people may not like

1381
01:07:53,089 --> 01:07:47,309
me saying this but I'm gonna say it

1382
01:07:55,940 --> 01:07:53,099
anyway and that is uh we have someone

1383
01:08:00,079 --> 01:07:55,950
like Doug Trumbull and Mark Dantonio

1384
01:08:04,099 --> 01:08:00,089
doing the UFO talk to that are earnestly

1385
01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:04,109
trying to create these units you have

1386
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:08,609
rate Stanford that that had was doing

1387
01:08:12,890 --> 01:08:11,250
this way back in the 1970s with the

1388
01:08:14,569 --> 01:08:12,900
state of the art 2 million dollars worth

1389
01:08:17,539 --> 01:08:14,579
of equipment at the time which was big

1390
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:17,549
big box it might have been a million but

1391
01:08:23,809 --> 01:08:21,120
it was over a million anyway so you have

1392
01:08:34,579 --> 01:08:23,819
his knowledge you have in these these

1393
01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:34,589
people are volunteers no collaboration

1394
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:38,310
between all of them however array has

1395
01:08:42,260 --> 01:08:41,489
mentioned that he wanted to offer any

1396
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:42,270
advice

1397
01:08:49,220 --> 01:08:46,500
he could help with Mark Dantonio i'ma

1398
01:08:52,340 --> 01:08:49,230
sure along with Doug Trumbull would like

1399
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:52,350
to help and there just seems to be a

1400
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:54,690
disconnect I see that and a couple of

1401
01:09:02,240 --> 01:08:57,930
other aspects of this field where people

1402
01:09:05,210 --> 01:09:02,250
want to stay in their camp maybe they

1403
01:09:07,130 --> 01:09:05,220
don't trust other people or they believe

1404
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:07,140
something bad about them or whatever I

1405
01:09:14,260 --> 01:09:09,450
don't know Oh what are your what are

1406
01:09:24,740 --> 01:09:19,300
yeah I don't know that there's

1407
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:24,750
territorialism that happened there I

1408
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:33,690
think a lot of the issues come with when

1409
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:37,650
people are trying to whether it's pride

1410
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:43,920
or a want of Fame or fiduciary and

1411
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:45,330
that's what's kind of scary is when

1412
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:48,000
people make a living and they're trying

1413
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:50,640
to make money off of things and those

1414
01:09:59,300 --> 01:09:57,060
become their primary goals then it's

1415
01:10:01,400 --> 01:09:59,310
unfortunately when when those things get

1416
01:10:05,180 --> 01:10:01,410
in the way otherwise there are a lot of

1417
01:10:12,710 --> 01:10:05,190
people just who also feel they want to

1418
01:10:14,690 --> 01:10:12,720
go about things differently and I don't

1419
01:10:17,690 --> 01:10:14,700
know III agree with you the it gets

1420
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:17,700
frustrating when different groups don't

1421
01:10:25,490 --> 01:10:20,130
work together I think that's what's fun

1422
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:25,500
about something like I mean I hate to

1423
01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:27,450
always talk about myself for what we do

1424
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,860
but I guess that's what I do every day

1425
01:10:33,170 --> 01:10:30,960
in this field is try to concentrate on

1426
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:33,180
these sort of things but the UFO

1427
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:35,130
Congress for instance is something where

1428
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:38,610
we try to not be clicky

1429
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:41,760
I mean we we are nichy in a way so for

1430
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:44,880
instance we don't have channelers we

1431
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:51,090
don't often have experiencers because we

1432
01:10:56,290 --> 01:10:53,090
opt to have people who research

1433
01:10:58,670 --> 01:10:56,300
experiencers or

1434
01:11:00,590 --> 01:10:58,680
experiencers maybe that have been part

1435
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:00,600
like a Travis Walton that been part of a

1436
01:11:06,860 --> 01:11:03,120
huge case with multiple witnesses and

1437
01:11:12,820 --> 01:11:06,870
things like that as and so we're not

1438
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:12,830
trying to not include those people but

1439
01:11:19,210 --> 01:11:17,250
we're trying to you know represent as

1440
01:11:21,230 --> 01:11:19,220
much of the material of research or

1441
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:21,240
experiences as possible because of

1442
01:11:25,190 --> 01:11:23,250
course like the researchers let's say of

1443
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:25,200
on Smith we haven't announced at but

1444
01:11:28,670 --> 01:11:26,640
she'll be speaking at the next UFO

1445
01:11:31,190 --> 01:11:28,680
Congress she spoken to a lot of

1446
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,200
experiences so she can talk a bit at a

1447
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:33,360
higher level and we're gonna have a

1448
01:11:39,140 --> 01:11:35,490
flame heard and some others who will be

1449
01:11:40,850 --> 01:11:39,150
talking about this sort of thing so but

1450
01:11:42,980 --> 01:11:40,860
at least at the Congress that's that's

1451
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:42,990
the only kind of nichy kind of we do

1452
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:46,110
otherwise we our goal is to try to bring

1453
01:11:50,710 --> 01:11:48,570
people together that haven't met or

1454
01:11:54,140 --> 01:11:50,720
talked or worked with each other before

1455
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:54,150
and luckily that happens and same with a

1456
01:11:58,610 --> 01:11:56,280
radio show and everything but sometimes

1457
01:11:59,810 --> 01:11:58,620
people just don't like working with

1458
01:12:02,360 --> 01:11:59,820
other people they don't like their

1459
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:02,370
methods and things in the case that you

1460
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:06,030
brought up UFO data and then there's you

1461
01:12:13,190 --> 01:12:09,810
photog you know working separately on

1462
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:13,200
the one hand I know mark and have a

1463
01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:16,710
specific vision and move down the road

1464
01:12:23,420 --> 01:12:19,560
towards their vision their specialty is

1465
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:23,430
in kind of manufacturing and especially

1466
01:12:28,730 --> 01:12:26,460
around optics because that's what they

1467
01:12:30,230 --> 01:12:28,740
do I mean they they're working in

1468
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,240
Hollywood and for commercials and stuff

1469
01:12:35,060 --> 01:12:32,640
like that out of all those people I'm

1470
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:35,070
most closed with Mark Dantonio even

1471
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,570
though I've talked to a lot of the

1472
01:12:42,110 --> 01:12:39,600
people in all the groups but I talk to

1473
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:42,120
Mark more regularly and and I know he's

1474
01:12:50,620 --> 01:12:44,610
reached out and hasn't gotten much

1475
01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:50,630
response and that is unfortunate and it

1476
01:12:55,790 --> 01:12:53,790
at least some sort of communication I

1477
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:55,800
think has always helped I think we've

1478
01:13:03,410 --> 01:12:58,800
enough say even if we're not gonna work

1479
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:03,420
with someone why for instance when I was

1480
01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:05,880
doing PR for MUFON

1481
01:13:09,710 --> 01:13:07,860
people would ask what does it move on do

1482
01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:09,720
that why doesn't move on do that

1483
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:11,910
I would have to say that's not what

1484
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:15,840
MUFON is move on we don't we barely have

1485
01:13:22,190 --> 01:13:19,290
enough resources for what we do which is

1486
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:22,200
true of open minds as well and so we

1487
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:24,120
have to focus and if we're gonna do

1488
01:13:30,770 --> 01:13:27,840
something halfway decently we can't be

1489
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:30,780
everything for everyone if you feel that

1490
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:33,510
that needs to is an area that's not

1491
01:13:39,470 --> 01:13:35,370
getting attention then go for it

1492
01:13:42,230 --> 01:13:39,480
you can go ahead and do that and support

1493
01:13:44,420 --> 01:13:42,240
you and help you however you like but we

1494
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:44,430
just don't have the resources to do that

1495
01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:46,290
and in fact with open minds I have to

1496
01:13:53,810 --> 01:13:48,840
say that and you know and it's one of

1497
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:53,820
the things out there you you you kind of

1498
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,410
kind of do for yourself and can't expect

1499
01:13:59,420 --> 01:13:57,840
for others to do it but at least you

1500
01:14:02,330 --> 01:13:59,430
know when you're communicating like I

1501
01:14:04,610 --> 01:14:02,340
have no idea who have oh data people

1502
01:14:06,650 --> 01:14:04,620
don't seem to be wanting to work with

1503
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:06,660
the two you photog when I asked them

1504
01:14:11,630 --> 01:14:08,850
they said oh yeah we would like to talk

1505
01:14:15,290 --> 01:14:11,640
to them well talk to them that and at

1506
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:15,300
least tell them why you you want to

1507
01:14:22,150 --> 01:14:17,010
remain separate so we can all learn from

1508
01:14:26,810 --> 01:14:22,160
that I mean it's about communicating

1509
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:26,820
right you know there are other you know

1510
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:29,760
parts of the UFO field like that and but

1511
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,370
another thing I thought would be you

1512
01:14:37,940 --> 01:14:34,080
know we don't have to focus on that but

1513
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:37,950
you know I was watching a let's see

1514
01:14:42,110 --> 01:14:40,320
recently on Netflix there's I can't

1515
01:14:44,570 --> 01:14:42,120
remember this series there's some UFO

1516
01:14:48,860 --> 01:14:44,580
series that just came out and I started

1517
01:14:51,620 --> 01:14:48,870
watching it the other day and there's a

1518
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:51,630
lot of people from the 19 this is all

1519
01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:54,540
filmed in the late or mid to late 1990s

1520
01:14:59,630 --> 01:14:57,060
and there's a lot of people that I just

1521
01:15:03,140 --> 01:14:59,640
don't recognize their name you know

1522
01:15:07,610 --> 01:15:03,150
because I wasn't in it back then so

1523
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:07,620
there's what seems to happen incorrectly

1524
01:15:12,250 --> 01:15:09,570
if I'm wrong but a lot of people get

1525
01:15:14,690 --> 01:15:12,260
burned out for some reason or another I

1526
01:15:16,010 --> 01:15:14,700
tried to contact someone that did some

1527
01:15:18,050 --> 01:15:16,020
good work and I can't remember his name

1528
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:18,060
and he says I have nothing to do with

1529
01:15:23,300 --> 01:15:21,090
the UFO field from now on so that does

1530
01:15:23,690 --> 01:15:23,310
happen there's there's people that could

1531
01:15:27,710 --> 01:15:23,700
just

1532
01:15:29,060 --> 01:15:27,720
ten with situations and you've been at

1533
01:15:32,690 --> 01:15:29,070
this a long time I'm sure you've seen

1534
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:32,700
that yeah definitely have seen it in

1535
01:15:37,940 --> 01:15:35,310
fact that's what Antonio is is in one of

1536
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:37,950
those modes he's just done for and he

1537
01:15:43,220 --> 01:15:40,650
has been for a couple of years and I can

1538
01:15:48,350 --> 01:15:43,230
understand it I mean I you hear from a

1539
01:15:50,300 --> 01:15:48,360
lot of people who faked that and you

1540
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:50,310
know especially I think it's even harder

1541
01:15:54,740 --> 01:15:52,050
in today's world than it was before

1542
01:15:56,810 --> 01:15:54,750
because now we have this instant

1543
01:16:02,120 --> 01:15:56,820
feedback and I have to try to remind

1544
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,130
myself not to look at social media too

1545
01:16:08,230 --> 01:16:04,560
often because there are just a lot of

1546
01:16:11,420 --> 01:16:08,240
people who are really mean out there and

1547
01:16:13,700 --> 01:16:11,430
you know when you all you're trying to

1548
01:16:16,670 --> 01:16:13,710
do is put together some information and

1549
01:16:19,310 --> 01:16:16,680
share it there's so much kill the

1550
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:19,320
messenger in fact I think some of these

1551
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:21,510
people if they could reach through their

1552
01:16:29,420 --> 01:16:24,330
computer and literally kill you they

1553
01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:29,430
would and and so when you trying to be

1554
01:16:36,890 --> 01:16:32,310
positive and send out information for

1555
01:16:40,430 --> 01:16:36,900
you know positive reasons and you see so

1556
01:16:42,830 --> 01:16:40,440
much hate coming back at you that's

1557
01:16:44,660 --> 01:16:42,840
really really hard to deal with and I

1558
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:44,670
think anybody that puts themselves out

1559
01:16:52,730 --> 01:16:49,410
there in the media or or to share

1560
01:16:56,420 --> 01:16:52,740
information you know as a recipient of

1561
01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:56,430
that sort of of thing and and a lot of

1562
01:17:02,510 --> 01:16:58,290
people aren't expecting it they don't

1563
01:17:04,490 --> 01:17:02,520
like it they don't want it and and so

1564
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:04,500
you know I can understand how it would

1565
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:07,290
be difficult for some people and it is

1566
01:17:12,940 --> 01:17:10,050
really difficult for some people it's

1567
01:17:16,460 --> 01:17:12,950
also even with tears even when they base

1568
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:16,470
what may be constructive criticism or at

1569
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:20,730
least presented in that way some people

1570
01:17:24,350 --> 01:17:22,290
aren't very good at handling that

1571
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:24,360
because they're not used to it they

1572
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:26,130
don't have that in their everyday life

1573
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:28,800
and it's another thing I think we all

1574
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:35,850
have to kind of be open to or try to as

1575
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:38,250
researchers try to

1576
01:17:44,570 --> 01:17:41,920
take one of the things I do for instance

1577
01:17:47,700 --> 01:17:44,580
I think some of the most harshest

1578
01:17:50,700 --> 01:17:47,710
criticism not necessarily all negative

1579
01:17:54,150 --> 01:17:50,710
in a negative way comes in in a folk

1580
01:17:55,890 --> 01:17:54,160
group called UFO updates there's a lot

1581
01:17:59,310 --> 01:17:55,900
of people there there's there are some

1582
01:18:02,130 --> 01:17:59,320
people who are just too a bit rude I'll

1583
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:02,140
certainly but when I have a piece that

1584
01:18:06,930 --> 01:18:04,719
I've done research on or a lot of my

1585
01:18:09,330 --> 01:18:06,940
pieces I like to put in UFO updates

1586
01:18:12,270 --> 01:18:09,340
because then they can go at it and

1587
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:12,280
criticize it and at least I can say you

1588
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:13,600
know oh you know what they have a

1589
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:16,000
legitimate criticism I need to address

1590
01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:18,610
that so I can learn and improve and

1591
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:21,910
become better myself but if it's just

1592
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:24,640
petty kind of stuff then I can disregard

1593
01:18:30,830 --> 01:18:28,000
that but at least you do have to test

1594
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:30,840
yourself in some ways but when you just

1595
01:18:37,140 --> 01:18:34,210
otherwise when instance looking at his

1596
01:18:39,959 --> 01:18:37,150
Gary Mann entry all I did was write

1597
01:18:42,330 --> 01:18:39,969
about what Garen MacKinnon said I'm not

1598
01:18:43,890 --> 01:18:42,340
judging Gary McKinnon for being drunken

1599
01:18:49,770 --> 01:18:43,900
stone if he wanted to be drunk and

1600
01:18:51,570 --> 01:18:49,780
stoned so be it I mean he he had issues

1601
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:51,580
going on in this life and I'm not

1602
01:18:55,260 --> 01:18:53,770
judging him I'm just trying to get to

1603
01:18:57,450 --> 01:18:55,270
the root of the story and the

1604
01:18:59,870 --> 01:18:57,460
information and put that out there but

1605
01:19:02,910 --> 01:18:59,880
if you read the comments in that story

1606
01:19:05,340 --> 01:19:02,920
people really mean one I mean just

1607
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:05,350
saying that I'm trying to be full of

1608
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:07,210
disinformation and I'm trying to drag

1609
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:09,910
him down and if they read you know these

1610
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,210
are direct quotes from him if anybody's

1611
01:19:17,459 --> 01:19:15,360
disparaging him it's it's him

1612
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:17,469
discouraging him not me

1613
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:20,560
no and that can be really tough I talked

1614
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:23,890
to people on a regular basis and there

1615
01:19:32,340 --> 01:19:26,530
are a lot for instance of MUFON people

1616
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:32,350
who as they get to post more stuff

1617
01:19:39,180 --> 01:19:36,730
online they they get met with this this

1618
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:39,190
negativity and they're just done and

1619
01:19:42,900 --> 01:19:41,050
that's it there are people getting

1620
01:19:43,979 --> 01:19:42,910
involved with this field trying to put

1621
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:43,989
themselves out there and then just

1622
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:47,650
walking away on a regular basis it

1623
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:51,610
happens a lot because as instead

1624
01:19:55,740 --> 01:19:53,650
getting you know a lot of positive

1625
01:19:58,680 --> 01:19:55,750
feedback it's just a positive people I

1626
01:20:01,290 --> 01:19:58,690
think are quieter what I'd like to see

1627
01:20:04,260 --> 01:20:01,300
is an increase in the heads and increase

1628
01:20:06,030 --> 01:20:04,270
in listen and listens to the show that

1629
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:06,040
keeps me inspired so I know that the

1630
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:07,570
people that appreciate this are out

1631
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:11,530
there but yes some people just feel like

1632
01:20:19,470 --> 01:20:13,449
you know this is not worth it it's not

1633
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:19,480
worth all of this this this frustration

1634
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:23,170
and this anger that that had faced your

1635
01:20:28,649 --> 01:20:24,400
direction because you don't agree with

1636
01:20:31,109 --> 01:20:28,659
what someone you know believes so yeah

1637
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:31,119
it can be difficult so I understand it

1638
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:33,489
and and it is there it happens more

1639
01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:36,400
often than not then over a period of

1640
01:20:40,590 --> 01:20:38,260
years that people got to walk away at

1641
01:20:42,959 --> 01:20:40,600
least for a little while and some people

1642
01:20:46,859 --> 01:20:42,969
get really and you can be this evolution

1643
01:20:49,379 --> 01:20:46,869
some people get me and then some people

1644
01:20:51,450 --> 01:20:49,389
just decide to disregard what anybody

1645
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:51,460
has to say and kind of go off in their

1646
01:20:56,459 --> 01:20:54,610
own lala land and not listen to any

1647
01:20:59,070 --> 01:20:56,469
feedback and just kind of do their own

1648
01:21:00,990 --> 01:20:59,080
thing and and you know it's a result of

1649
01:21:03,629 --> 01:21:01,000
this how people deal with it with that

1650
01:21:04,410 --> 01:21:03,639
sort of things so some of it I think has

1651
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:04,420
to do

1652
01:21:12,750 --> 01:21:11,110
with the fact that some that I've talked

1653
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:12,760
to that have been at it for a long time

1654
01:21:17,220 --> 01:21:15,280
just say you know I'm no closer to any

1655
01:21:22,410 --> 01:21:17,230
type of the answer than I was 35 years

1656
01:21:25,229 --> 01:21:22,420
ago you know yeah and and so that gets

1657
01:21:27,359 --> 01:21:25,239
frustrating in that way yeah well how

1658
01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:27,369
about you I mean I'm curious you face

1659
01:21:33,959 --> 01:21:30,310
that negativity and yeah

1660
01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:33,969
and I would imagine you wouldn't feel

1661
01:21:38,189 --> 01:21:36,310
that you haven't necessarily learned a

1662
01:21:40,410 --> 01:21:38,199
whole lot or at least not the roots of

1663
01:21:42,180 --> 01:21:40,420
the mystery since you've been doing this

1664
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:42,190
I feel that way

1665
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:46,449
what could you motive I still I still

1666
01:21:52,410 --> 01:21:48,250
really like talking to fascinating

1667
01:21:56,340 --> 01:21:52,420
people that have you know ideas on the

1668
01:21:59,100 --> 01:21:56,350
subject it's a you know because when you

1669
01:22:03,419 --> 01:21:59,110
start talking to some you never know

1670
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:03,429
what's going to be revealed so it's

1671
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:05,530
always fascinating like last week

1672
01:22:09,870 --> 01:22:08,320
Ron mogera had no idea what he was gonna

1673
01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:09,880
be like and he was wonderful I thought

1674
01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:14,230
he was really good so and so I guess

1675
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:19,500
what keeps me going is I feel like my

1676
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:22,030
you know actually I feel like my life is

1677
01:22:29,190 --> 01:22:26,130
better being involved in this

1678
01:22:31,290 --> 01:22:29,200
fascinating topic you know it's it's

1679
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:31,300
interesting and it's also very

1680
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:33,130
interesting when people find out about

1681
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:36,780
it out in you know my world whether it's

1682
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:42,130
my real job in antiques and fine arts

1683
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:46,930
and things like that that actually have

1684
01:22:52,860 --> 01:22:50,320
a story I love hearing stories you know

1685
01:22:54,630 --> 01:22:52,870
from people that I'm just out in the

1686
01:22:57,630 --> 01:22:54,640
field and people that normally would

1687
01:22:59,250 --> 01:22:57,640
never share a story with anyone and when

1688
01:23:00,570 --> 01:22:59,260
they find out that I'm doing this and

1689
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:00,580
they'll share it with me and I think

1690
01:23:07,470 --> 01:23:04,210
that's really that's pretty nice nice

1691
01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:07,480
what about negativity that is focused in

1692
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:12,910
your direction you know I heard I heard

1693
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:16,930
a really good quote once and I try to

1694
01:23:21,390 --> 01:23:19,450
exercise that now because yes I do get

1695
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:21,400
there is a lot of negativity that comes

1696
01:23:27,420 --> 01:23:24,250
and emails and comments and comments

1697
01:23:29,580 --> 01:23:27,430
that I won't allow post posted on under

1698
01:23:34,590 --> 01:23:29,590
our shows and things like that and that

1699
01:23:37,050 --> 01:23:34,600
is if you take every negative comment

1700
01:23:40,380 --> 01:23:37,060
with the same grain of salt that you

1701
01:23:42,740 --> 01:23:40,390
take a compliment with then you'll have

1702
01:23:46,020 --> 01:23:42,750
you you'll be grounded in other words

1703
01:23:48,150 --> 01:23:46,030
don't elect don't let a negative comment

1704
01:23:51,060 --> 01:23:48,160
affect you any more than a positive

1705
01:23:53,460 --> 01:23:51,070
comment should affect you just be happy

1706
01:23:57,060 --> 01:23:53,470
with what you're doing or don't do it

1707
01:23:59,340 --> 01:23:57,070
and so I guess if I can keep that

1708
01:24:03,180 --> 01:23:59,350
philosophy then the negative comments

1709
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:03,190
aren't going to they you know I had

1710
01:24:08,940 --> 01:24:06,490
someone recently got an email from

1711
01:24:10,590 --> 01:24:08,950
someone that you know I'm not even gonna

1712
01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:10,600
use any of the language they wrote in

1713
01:24:14,490 --> 01:24:12,790
the email but basically saying that the

1714
01:24:17,130 --> 01:24:14,500
show sucked and I was terrible and all

1715
01:24:19,109 --> 01:24:17,140
that and and you know go to hell type of

1716
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:19,119
thing but with harsh words

1717
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:22,000
and I just said you know I just wrote

1718
01:24:25,979 --> 01:24:23,530
back I'm sorry your must be having some

1719
01:24:29,010 --> 01:24:25,989
type of trouble and I really am sorry

1720
01:24:31,410 --> 01:24:29,020
and it's true you know and but there are

1721
01:24:33,180 --> 01:24:31,420
people that you know this Shield of the

1722
01:24:36,300 --> 01:24:33,190
internet or whatever it is so there's no

1723
01:24:37,979 --> 01:24:36,310
eye to eye contact that people can say

1724
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:37,989
anything they choose and that happens

1725
01:24:42,419 --> 01:24:40,570
you see it especially on like it says

1726
01:24:42,979 --> 01:24:42,429
social media and YouTube and places like

1727
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:42,989
that

1728
01:24:54,330 --> 01:24:49,690
do seem to handle it well I haven't urge

1729
01:24:57,689 --> 01:24:54,340
you safe man again take this yeah you

1730
01:25:00,479 --> 01:24:57,699
know I say in the beginning when I would

1731
01:25:02,729 --> 01:25:00,489
get that I was much more susceptible to

1732
01:25:04,770 --> 01:25:02,739
worrying about it but now it's some

1733
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:04,780
everybody has their opinions and that's

1734
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,290
fine yeah and you know one thing that I

1735
01:25:15,959 --> 01:25:10,719
will not do is compromise my integrity

1736
01:25:18,839 --> 01:25:15,969
and I'm looking for answers and truth

1737
01:25:24,060 --> 01:25:18,849
and sometimes I don't know and it's like

1738
01:25:25,919 --> 01:25:24,070
oh man you know I I find out or Mark

1739
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:25,929
Dantonio does this to me all the time or

1740
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:28,570
some great picture or some great video

1741
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,159
that I thought this is never gonna be

1742
01:25:35,879 --> 01:25:32,560
debunked this is amazing this is great

1743
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:35,889
and then you know something's figured

1744
01:25:38,930 --> 01:25:36,489
out that ow

1745
01:25:43,379 --> 01:25:38,940
actually that was a paper airplane

1746
01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:43,389
thrown by you know little Joey passes a

1747
01:25:49,290 --> 01:25:45,460
window and Aunt Ruth took a picture at

1748
01:25:52,500 --> 01:25:49,300
that time and so and I know I'm gonna

1749
01:25:55,109 --> 01:25:52,510
get a lot of hate for it but one thing I

1750
01:25:59,070 --> 01:25:55,119
will not do is just let that go and let

1751
01:26:02,609 --> 01:25:59,080
people you know go on with that believe

1752
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:02,619
that ruled out the for me and about you

1753
01:26:08,669 --> 01:26:05,199
know little Joey fessing up that he was

1754
01:26:10,169 --> 01:26:08,679
tricking Aunt Ruth you know because

1755
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:10,179
that's that's what we're here for is to

1756
01:26:13,979 --> 01:26:12,130
get out information that's what I'm here

1757
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:13,989
for us to get out information about this

1758
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:18,489
topic and and not everybody appreciates

1759
01:26:27,330 --> 01:26:24,610
that you know you know I now let's talk

1760
01:26:29,220 --> 01:26:27,340
a little bit about your day to you you

1761
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:29,230
do this is a full-time job and I think

1762
01:26:32,380 --> 01:26:31,810
you're probably one of the very few in

1763
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:32,390
the entire

1764
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:35,360
world that actually does this for a

1765
01:26:42,250 --> 01:26:36,770
full-time job am i right

1766
01:26:47,620 --> 01:26:42,260
I think oh yeah yeah I would be mad

1767
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:47,630
there's maybe only a handful if that

1768
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:48,800
yeah

1769
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:52,400
so you come in in the morning let's say

1770
01:26:56,110 --> 01:26:54,530
a typical day now this is I'm not going

1771
01:26:59,800 --> 01:26:56,120
to turn this into a total interview of

1772
01:27:04,090 --> 01:26:59,810
you but you come in you start searching

1773
01:27:08,290 --> 01:27:04,100
for something new or do people send you

1774
01:27:10,270 --> 01:27:08,300
things a little bit of both so on a

1775
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:10,280
typical day what I do is I'll come in

1776
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:12,170
and the very first thing that I like to

1777
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:15,770
do is look for the headlines and that

1778
01:27:20,620 --> 01:27:17,810
actually is a lot of work but I think

1779
01:27:25,570 --> 01:27:20,630
it's a great service it's something that

1780
01:27:28,540 --> 01:27:25,580
I'm doing for a long time and I started

1781
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:28,550
doing it because there was a kind of a

1782
01:27:32,830 --> 01:27:30,560
news clipping thing that John Schuessler

1783
01:27:35,290 --> 01:27:32,840
used to do he was a director from for a

1784
01:27:37,540 --> 01:27:35,300
MUFON only the second director for MUFON

1785
01:27:40,930 --> 01:27:37,550
and he was the director when I joined

1786
01:27:43,090 --> 01:27:40,940
MUFON and he would send out emails or in

1787
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:43,100
some cases at his meetings he would hand

1788
01:27:49,150 --> 01:27:46,130
out news clippings UFO stories in the

1789
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:49,160
headlines and when the internet started

1790
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,770
getting big I would take those those

1791
01:27:55,150 --> 01:27:53,600
pieces of information with his blessing

1792
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:55,160
you know working with him here's a

1793
01:27:59,440 --> 01:27:57,530
mentor of mine and I would get those

1794
01:28:02,560 --> 01:27:59,450
online at first I got him like on a

1795
01:28:04,750 --> 01:28:02,570
Google like what's it at Google I forgot

1796
01:28:06,610 --> 01:28:04,760
yeah group or something like that I

1797
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:06,620
think it was yahoo groups that was a big

1798
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:10,400
thing and I called it some I call and

1799
01:28:15,970 --> 01:28:13,760
then I started doing putting him in

1800
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:15,980
emails and then online and these

1801
01:28:21,700 --> 01:28:18,650
different things and so and then when I

1802
01:28:25,330 --> 01:28:21,710
started my podcast and my web site UFO

1803
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:25,340
think tank I started doing that these

1804
01:28:29,820 --> 01:28:27,290
headlines and I think it's really

1805
01:28:33,610 --> 01:28:29,830
important and it's really cool because

1806
01:28:35,980 --> 01:28:33,620
it demonstrates that there are UFO

1807
01:28:39,250 --> 01:28:35,990
stories in the mainstream out there that

1808
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:39,260
there there is a discussion about UFOs

1809
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:44,000
all over the world and so I love sharing

1810
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:46,130
those and it seems pretty popular

1811
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:47,810
to be a service that people really like

1812
01:28:53,170 --> 01:28:51,170
and so my first thing is to look for

1813
01:28:57,070 --> 01:28:53,180
stories and look for good stories and

1814
01:28:58,990 --> 01:28:57,080
pertinent stories credible stories it's

1815
01:29:03,130 --> 01:28:59,000
unfortunate that right now we're in the

1816
01:29:05,860 --> 01:29:03,140
era of the UK tabloids is what I call it

1817
01:29:09,780 --> 01:29:05,870
new follow G where they're kind of

1818
01:29:13,540 --> 01:29:09,790
taking a lead on the direction that

1819
01:29:16,540 --> 01:29:13,550
mainstream media covers the topic and as

1820
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:16,550
a typical tabloid as you you know what

1821
01:29:20,620 --> 01:29:18,320
you think of The Enquirer or something

1822
01:29:23,050 --> 01:29:20,630
they're full of dubious or just

1823
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:23,060
completely false information or making a

1824
01:29:29,220 --> 01:29:26,510
big deal out of hoaxes often they steal

1825
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:29,230
my story I mean just today John Austin

1826
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:32,570
this name that lives infamy amongst

1827
01:29:39,310 --> 01:29:36,320
people who follow this stuff online took

1828
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:39,320
one of my stories and took my name out

1829
01:29:43,330 --> 01:29:41,810
of it took my quotes that I got from

1830
01:29:45,730 --> 01:29:43,340
interviewing this person and didn't

1831
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:45,740
reference me at all and posted the story

1832
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:48,650
on The Daily Express in the UK in some

1833
01:29:53,290 --> 01:29:52,130
cases I like it when it's promoting you

1834
01:29:55,090 --> 01:29:53,300
know something that I would like to

1835
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:55,100
promote although I would like at least

1836
01:29:58,510 --> 01:29:57,170
credit I mean I don't mind if anybody

1837
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:58,520
takes her stuff or at least references

1838
01:30:06,610 --> 01:30:00,560
or whatever as long as they give us

1839
01:30:08,530 --> 01:30:06,620
credit but you know they often these

1840
01:30:10,090 --> 01:30:08,540
tabloids get the and it's a Daily Star

1841
01:30:13,630 --> 01:30:10,100
we've talked about these Daily Express

1842
01:30:15,790 --> 01:30:13,640
the fact wrong and free thing so I don't

1843
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:15,800
know link to them at all because they

1844
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:17,570
these days they have very little

1845
01:30:22,630 --> 01:30:19,970
credible information if any that they

1846
01:30:24,430 --> 01:30:22,640
cover but otherwise there's lots of news

1847
01:30:26,350 --> 01:30:24,440
stories out there lots of really

1848
01:30:28,690 --> 01:30:26,360
interesting stuff so that's the first

1849
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:28,700
thing I do is is the headlines I focus

1850
01:30:33,190 --> 01:30:31,280
heavily on that and you know if you go

1851
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:33,200
to open mind sat TV pretty much every

1852
01:30:37,420 --> 01:30:35,570
day you're gonna see a new set of UFO

1853
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:37,430
headlines there right in the center on

1854
01:30:42,970 --> 01:30:40,880
the front page so that's the first thing

1855
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:42,980
I do and then I'm always looking for

1856
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:44,930
stories and following what other people

1857
01:30:52,060 --> 01:30:48,890
are do I do the website so there's some

1858
01:30:55,660 --> 01:30:52,070
administration of that and post it Roger

1859
01:30:57,850 --> 01:30:55,670
or she's worried love to post other

1860
01:30:58,950 --> 01:30:57,860
people's stories like Paul Stony Hills

1861
01:31:01,400 --> 01:30:58,960
and then I

1862
01:31:03,930 --> 01:31:01,410
to look for images make sure I credit

1863
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:03,940
one of the things that I do that you'll

1864
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:06,370
find on open minds as I give credit to

1865
01:31:13,130 --> 01:31:09,040
everybody I reference sources with a

1866
01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:13,140
link and give credit on every photo and

1867
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:16,239
I give credit and link on any reference

1868
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:18,489
in any of our stories to make sure that

1869
01:31:25,020 --> 01:31:22,330
if I'm referencing Kevin Randle I'm

1870
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:25,030
linking to the web if I'm linking a

1871
01:31:28,830 --> 01:31:27,250
referencing a couple things he said that

1872
01:31:30,150 --> 01:31:28,840
we're on two different blogs and I'm

1873
01:31:33,390 --> 01:31:30,160
gonna link to both blogs

1874
01:31:35,100 --> 01:31:33,400
David Rudy AK in this story I have at

1875
01:31:37,740 --> 01:31:35,110
least two or three links to his website

1876
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:37,750
so making sure that people know where to

1877
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:39,520
get more information and that the people

1878
01:31:44,340 --> 01:31:42,400
who do deserve the credit get it because

1879
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:44,350
if someone if we're highlighting

1880
01:31:48,290 --> 01:31:46,330
someone's work that's the whole point is

1881
01:31:50,940 --> 01:31:48,300
highlighting that look at this cool

1882
01:31:53,700 --> 01:31:50,950
great research that this person has done

1883
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:53,710
even if it's something I'm dubious of

1884
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:56,890
it's like still this took effort to do

1885
01:32:00,720 --> 01:31:58,960
this what do you think you know here's

1886
01:32:03,780 --> 01:32:00,730
what I think what do you think about

1887
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:03,790
what this person has done and so that

1888
01:32:07,380 --> 01:32:05,530
takes a lot of time and effort I mean

1889
01:32:09,690 --> 01:32:07,390
it's easier to do what John Austin did

1890
01:32:12,330 --> 01:32:09,700
and to just go out there and grab a

1891
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:12,340
story take all the references out of it

1892
01:32:16,380 --> 01:32:14,110
to see you can say this person said this

1893
01:32:19,050 --> 01:32:16,390
and this did this it's easy you could

1894
01:32:21,330 --> 01:32:19,060
write stories just like these tabloids

1895
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:21,340
do all day every day if you don't have

1896
01:32:27,390 --> 01:32:25,120
to reference anything but that's not

1897
01:32:30,780 --> 01:32:27,400
what we do how do you find something

1898
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:30,790
like that do you you just look for

1899
01:32:34,620 --> 01:32:32,800
stories and all of a sudden you pops up

1900
01:32:38,540 --> 01:32:34,630
and you see a story that well hey that's

1901
01:32:43,050 --> 01:32:38,550
my story is that what happens with that

1902
01:32:44,459 --> 01:32:43,060
usually for an instant that um when I do

1903
01:32:50,220 --> 01:32:44,469
my search is to look for mainstream

1904
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:50,230
media stories I often run across our

1905
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:52,210
stories or people referencing our

1906
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:54,610
stories for instance one of the people

1907
01:32:59,580 --> 01:32:58,090
one of the new sources that I don't put

1908
01:33:02,490 --> 01:32:59,590
in our headlines because I don't feel

1909
01:33:04,979 --> 01:33:02,500
it's mainstream enough is the Inquisitor

1910
01:33:07,290 --> 01:33:04,989
but I I should say cuz there's the

1911
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:07,300
Inquisitor and the examiner pretty much

1912
01:33:11,130 --> 01:33:09,280
anybody can go on and sign on to be a

1913
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:11,140
writer so those are kind of Bloggie

1914
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:12,490
they're not really

1915
01:33:18,780 --> 01:33:17,290
you know mainstream news but I gotta

1916
01:33:20,850 --> 01:33:18,790
give credit cuz there's there's a

1917
01:33:23,220 --> 01:33:20,860
gentleman I remember his name right now

1918
01:33:24,930 --> 01:33:23,230
who writes a lot of UFO stories an

1919
01:33:28,740 --> 01:33:24,940
Inquisitor baby he does a great job

1920
01:33:30,270 --> 01:33:28,750
referencing people so you know as long

1921
01:33:32,580 --> 01:33:30,280
as you reference that's cool so I'll

1922
01:33:34,140 --> 01:33:32,590
usually finding it in my regular search

1923
01:33:37,740 --> 01:33:34,150
and I've got these different ways that I

1924
01:33:40,290 --> 01:33:37,750
search for stuff multiple different ways

1925
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:40,300
and that's how I'll run across them and

1926
01:33:46,350 --> 01:33:43,690
I'm pretty good it's rare that they're

1927
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:46,360
stored on UFOs or even extraterrestrial

1928
01:33:52,980 --> 01:33:50,050
life that somebody posts that I didn't

1929
01:33:57,440 --> 01:33:52,990
see but it does happen because people

1930
01:34:00,500 --> 01:33:57,450
like Billy Cox don't use those keywords

1931
01:34:03,030 --> 01:34:00,510
so it's harder to find their stories I

1932
01:34:06,330 --> 01:34:03,040
love Billy Cox he writes for the

1933
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:06,340
Sarasota Herald Tribune bring up but he

1934
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:08,650
doesn't he never uses the term UFOs and

1935
01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:10,930
his headlines and so it can be hard to

1936
01:34:15,060 --> 01:34:13,510
to find that he's writing about UFOs

1937
01:34:17,220 --> 01:34:15,070
yeah I'm trying to get him on the show

1938
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:17,230
have you ever interviewed him no he

1939
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:19,570
doesn't like doing it or trying to get

1940
01:34:23,250 --> 01:34:21,250
him on and he doesn't he doesn't like to

1941
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:23,260
do interviews unfortunately because I

1942
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:24,880
think you'd have some fascinating thing

1943
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:27,610
to say but I really recommend him and

1944
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:30,130
when I find a story of his I definitely

1945
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:32,080
do link to it because he is in the

1946
01:34:40,020 --> 01:34:34,570
Sarasota Herald Tribune - he is a staff

1947
01:34:41,550 --> 01:34:40,030
writer a journalist so so yeah so that's

1948
01:34:43,410 --> 01:34:41,560
that's radio and then I found all these

1949
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:43,420
stories and they post them and then also

1950
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:46,570
I try to write my own stories but you

1951
01:34:54,330 --> 01:34:49,810
know I my stories take a lot of research

1952
01:34:56,700 --> 01:34:54,340
so what and I hope that people when they

1953
01:34:59,760 --> 01:34:56,710
look at my Roswell story for instance I

1954
01:35:02,430 --> 01:34:59,770
think it's pretty concise but gives you

1955
01:35:04,710 --> 01:35:02,440
the latest and the greatest on what's

1956
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:04,720
going on with that Ramey memo so you

1957
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:07,450
understand and you see what people think

1958
01:35:12,690 --> 01:35:11,290
that the most is currently and that

1959
01:35:13,740 --> 01:35:12,700
takes some time to research and make

1960
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:13,750
sure you give the credit and everything

1961
01:35:18,810 --> 01:35:15,730
so I want to write about

1962
01:35:20,700 --> 01:35:18,820
paul-dean and some of his work I want to

1963
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:20,710
write about some some other great work

1964
01:35:25,830 --> 01:35:24,130
that's out there but there's also the

1965
01:35:30,030 --> 01:35:25,840
the Congress coming up

1966
01:35:34,709 --> 01:35:30,040
and you know inviting speakers making

1967
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:34,719
sure the websites updated and creating

1968
01:35:42,290 --> 01:35:37,210
documents and all the paperwork you know

1969
01:35:45,390 --> 01:35:42,300
speaker punch fax under contracts and

1970
01:35:47,220 --> 01:35:45,400
figuring out the space and and you know

1971
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:47,230
communicating all of these different

1972
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:48,730
things with the conference is always a

1973
01:35:54,810 --> 01:35:52,090
lot of work and then you know every

1974
01:35:59,149 --> 01:35:54,820
Monday Jason or Michael and I Michael

1975
01:36:03,689 --> 01:35:59,159
the amazing video guy that we have with

1976
01:36:06,410 --> 01:36:03,699
open minds I write a script and then

1977
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:06,420
Michael and I quote the script for the

1978
01:36:12,839 --> 01:36:10,719
UFO report and then we film that and

1979
01:36:15,180 --> 01:36:12,849
then we work together on posting that

1980
01:36:17,220 --> 01:36:15,190
and then I create these emails you know

1981
01:36:19,050 --> 01:36:17,230
cuz we send out emails every other week

1982
01:36:21,570 --> 01:36:19,060
to let people what's going on know

1983
01:36:25,020 --> 01:36:21,580
what's going on with open minds so I'm

1984
01:36:29,729 --> 01:36:25,030
always super super busy and I don't get

1985
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:29,739
back on emails that often I don't get

1986
01:36:35,250 --> 01:36:32,530
back on phone calls if that off I really

1987
01:36:38,750 --> 01:36:35,260
even answer the phone I let it go to the

1988
01:36:44,010 --> 01:36:38,760
voicemail and then get back with people

1989
01:36:46,410 --> 01:36:44,020
and so correspondence wise you know

1990
01:36:48,660 --> 01:36:46,420
honestly it can take me some time in

1991
01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:48,670
fact I don't know if I should even say

1992
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:50,800
it but the secret is the quickest way to

1993
01:36:57,450 --> 01:36:54,690
get to me is probably via Facebook but

1994
01:37:01,320 --> 01:36:57,460
or pretend you're Martin because I take

1995
01:37:05,189 --> 01:37:01,330
Martin emails very seriously there some

1996
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:05,199
reason to thank you yeah I I I'm sure

1997
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:07,810
you get a lot of email I do as well and

1998
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:10,810
I welcome email I am way behind on it

1999
01:37:14,820 --> 01:37:13,360
right now and I just have to give the

2000
01:37:19,050 --> 01:37:14,830
message out there that if you're gonna

2001
01:37:22,589 --> 01:37:19,060
write me an email I have a DD I'm sure I

2002
01:37:24,270 --> 01:37:22,599
do I'm just kind of probably look joking

2003
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:24,280
a little bit but I have a hard time

2004
01:37:29,459 --> 01:37:26,050
reading when I open an email and I see

2005
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:29,469
it's up like four pages long I don't get

2006
01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:30,010
through it

2007
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:32,320
so if you want to email me and get your

2008
01:37:38,580 --> 01:37:34,690
point across within a paragraph or two

2009
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:38,590
then I'll probably be able to respond we

2010
01:37:41,460 --> 01:37:39,370
speaking of

2011
01:37:44,370 --> 01:37:41,470
we had some questions this one's a

2012
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:44,380
little unusual and if you don't mind

2013
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:45,610
I'll throw it at you

2014
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:48,850
and what if anything is going on in the

2015
01:37:55,500 --> 01:37:53,890
Antarctic today why is the area in the

2016
01:37:57,780 --> 01:37:55,510
immediate vicinity of the South Pole

2017
01:38:00,830 --> 01:37:57,790
whited out on Google Earth and other

2018
01:38:03,180 --> 01:38:00,840
imagery what happens with Admiral Byrd

2019
01:38:05,340 --> 01:38:03,190
unusually large immediate post-war

2020
01:38:07,770 --> 01:38:05,350
contingency when they journey there do

2021
01:38:10,110 --> 01:38:07,780
you know anything about that or do I've

2022
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:10,120
heard people talk about some type of

2023
01:38:14,130 --> 01:38:12,250
connection between UFOs and Antarctica

2024
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:14,140
and I just I've never really looked into

2025
01:38:24,150 --> 01:38:17,890
it have you how dare you ask me this

2026
01:38:25,890 --> 01:38:24,160
question no no actually I mean I've

2027
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:25,900
heard a couple interesting stories

2028
01:38:30,270 --> 01:38:27,520
Wendell Stevens for instance who I

2029
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:30,280
referenced earlier that might have been

2030
01:38:37,050 --> 01:38:34,480
what you were not able to hear us but he

2031
01:38:40,260 --> 01:38:37,060
had he says when he was in the Air Force

2032
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:40,270
he they witnessed the UFO landing and

2033
01:38:45,330 --> 01:38:42,610
and he was in the Air Force and they

2034
01:38:50,850 --> 01:38:45,340
actually investigated it otherwise

2035
01:38:53,790 --> 01:38:50,860
Admiral Byrd I mean and I and here again

2036
01:38:56,970 --> 01:38:53,800
I apologize for any anyone who is really

2037
01:38:59,310 --> 01:38:56,980
married to this story but from my

2038
01:39:02,940 --> 01:38:59,320
research it appears it's all bunk

2039
01:39:05,490 --> 01:39:02,950
so essentially the fugle rod so there's

2040
01:39:09,450 --> 01:39:05,500
a story a legend out there that Admiral

2041
01:39:13,110 --> 01:39:09,460
Byrd when he was out exploring got into

2042
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:13,120
his plane and he flew and he saw this

2043
01:39:17,370 --> 01:39:15,520
hole where he looked down and they could

2044
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:17,380
see into the earth and they flew in

2045
01:39:22,940 --> 01:39:20,560
there and these um uh foes but not

2046
01:39:25,620 --> 01:39:22,950
dissembled or swastikas on the side

2047
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:25,630
escorted them in and they talked to

2048
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:27,370
these aliens and the aliens were of

2049
01:39:32,010 --> 01:39:29,440
course upset with us and they called

2050
01:39:34,980 --> 01:39:32,020
their spaceships fugle rods and that

2051
01:39:37,650 --> 01:39:34,990
they were helping out Hitler at the time

2052
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:37,660
and that's why Hitler created UFOs and

2053
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:40,810
all of this wild and crazy stuff that

2054
01:39:47,550 --> 01:39:44,770
was all in this alleged secret Journal

2055
01:39:51,210 --> 01:39:47,560
of Admiral Byrd it turned out that was a

2056
01:39:53,310 --> 01:39:51,220
complete hoax it was actually a hoax

2057
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:53,320
perpetrated someone who elect

2058
01:39:59,640 --> 01:39:57,610
plea was related to Admiral Byrd but it

2059
01:40:01,890 --> 01:39:59,650
was a complete hoax oh really if you

2060
01:40:04,170 --> 01:40:01,900
look into Admiral Byrd there are a

2061
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:04,180
couple photos out there from his

2062
01:40:08,250 --> 01:40:06,010
expeditions that people think are

2063
01:40:11,340 --> 01:40:08,260
mysterious and and who knows these could

2064
01:40:14,010 --> 01:40:11,350
be genuine UFO photos they're so old

2065
01:40:17,070 --> 01:40:14,020
it's difficult to tell I know of at

2066
01:40:19,170 --> 01:40:17,080
least one person I don't even think he

2067
01:40:22,620 --> 01:40:19,180
has a website or anything a friend of

2068
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:22,630
mine Joe fax had these pictures that

2069
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:25,360
that showed some interesting things in

2070
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:27,130
the guy that was taken during the

2071
01:40:34,830 --> 01:40:31,170
expedition but other than that I

2072
01:40:37,230 --> 01:40:34,840
apologize I don't really put any stock

2073
01:40:40,500 --> 01:40:37,240
into those stories and I say that after

2074
01:40:43,500 --> 01:40:40,510
having done some thorough research into

2075
01:40:47,820 --> 01:40:43,510
those stories so other than that you

2076
01:40:49,860 --> 01:40:47,830
know I don't have I don't any you know

2077
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:49,870
there's there's stories about the Nazis

2078
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:52,000
going up there and creating bases and

2079
01:41:01,800 --> 01:40:54,690
stuff like this but none of this has

2080
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:01,810
ever panned out an investigation so yeah

2081
01:41:07,020 --> 01:41:05,170
that's all yeah well that's uh that is

2082
01:41:10,440 --> 01:41:07,030
really interesting I never heard the

2083
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:10,450
whole story about that yeah that's

2084
01:41:15,390 --> 01:41:12,010
pretty wild you know when it comes to

2085
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:15,400
myths another one is and I've even seen

2086
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:17,890
this in documentaries as Alexander the

2087
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:18,370
Great

2088
01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:21,850
you know had a UFO encounter when when

2089
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:23,710
that's really looked into and traced

2090
01:41:28,770 --> 01:41:26,320
back it only goes back to a 1952 I think

2091
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:28,780
it is novel and that's as far back as it

2092
01:41:35,630 --> 01:41:32,290
goes yeah I was in some novel that he

2093
01:41:41,130 --> 01:41:35,640
did in then later it was taken as fact

2094
01:41:44,250 --> 01:41:41,140
so yeah I mean if someone doesn't

2095
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:44,260
research and they just you know

2096
01:41:47,940 --> 01:41:45,970
broadcast something like this then you

2097
01:41:52,590 --> 01:41:47,950
know eventually people are gonna believe

2098
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:52,600
it's true you know yeah yeah and that

2099
01:41:56,820 --> 01:41:55,210
happened so often I mean with the gary

2100
01:42:00,450 --> 01:41:56,830
mckinnon stuff like we were talking

2101
01:42:03,690 --> 01:42:00,460
about earlier certainly I mean I love to

2102
01:42:05,850 --> 01:42:03,700
be corrected if you find references of

2103
01:42:06,570 --> 01:42:05,860
something that I was not aware of I love

2104
01:42:09,420 --> 01:42:06,580
that and

2105
01:42:13,620 --> 01:42:09,430
will very quickly add that to my stories

2106
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:13,630
and give credit but you know I try to be

2107
01:42:19,170 --> 01:42:16,570
as thorough as possible when I'm putting

2108
01:42:21,630 --> 01:42:19,180
these things together and you know for

2109
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:21,640
instance when I go to look at a story

2110
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:23,410
like Admiral Byrd okay let's write this

2111
01:42:28,110 --> 01:42:26,410
up but let's figure this out if I don't

2112
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:28,120
find anything credible then there's

2113
01:42:34,890 --> 01:42:32,410
nothing to do there so it often turns

2114
01:42:39,890 --> 01:42:34,900
out these are legends that are really

2115
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:39,900
dubious so what can you do right right

2116
01:42:47,460 --> 01:42:43,890
so we have about I don't know about 12

2117
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:47,470
minutes left and one of the things up

2118
01:42:53,700 --> 01:42:50,290
you know I was talking earlier about how

2119
01:42:57,660 --> 01:42:53,710
back in the 1990s there were so many

2120
01:43:01,860 --> 01:42:57,670
people that had changed and dropped out

2121
01:43:06,270 --> 01:43:01,870
of the field and I do want to talk I

2122
01:43:08,130 --> 01:43:06,280
would do want to touch on what has

2123
01:43:12,810 --> 01:43:08,140
happened since the beginning since let's

2124
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:12,820
say 1947 when you got into the contactee

2125
01:43:17,370 --> 01:43:15,130
movement and all that but there's kind

2126
01:43:20,610 --> 01:43:17,380
of a controversial subject to someone

2127
01:43:23,060 --> 01:43:20,620
who's a longtime listener of both of our

2128
01:43:25,860 --> 01:43:23,070
shows and I met him out in Phoenix and

2129
01:43:28,740 --> 01:43:25,870
he's a big fan of both of our shows and

2130
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:28,750
he asked this question and would we be

2131
01:43:33,570 --> 01:43:31,360
willing to comment on Stan Roman acts

2132
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:33,580
apology I didn't get a chance to look at

2133
01:43:41,250 --> 01:43:37,600
some YouTube video he sent me and that's

2134
01:43:44,730 --> 01:43:41,260
aji let's see he explains why he

2135
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:44,740
discredited him it discredited himself

2136
01:43:48,810 --> 01:43:47,410
having observed high strangeness do you

2137
01:43:54,030 --> 01:43:48,820
know anything about that and would you

2138
01:43:56,250 --> 01:43:54,040
want to comment on it I do and I mean I

2139
01:44:01,560 --> 01:43:56,260
don't comment on this stuff much and

2140
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:01,570
it's out of respect for the family was

2141
01:44:07,470 --> 01:44:04,480
very close with Romanick and his family

2142
01:44:10,740 --> 01:44:07,480
and I for instance his wife and his

2143
01:44:12,890 --> 01:44:10,750
stepchildren hurt her children I just

2144
01:44:18,170 --> 01:44:12,900
loved to death they're wonderful people

2145
01:44:20,010 --> 01:44:18,180
and all of their friends but you know I

2146
01:44:22,740 --> 01:44:20,020
very very dis

2147
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:22,750
pointed in insanity I think he

2148
01:44:28,350 --> 01:44:26,560
perpetrated a hoax on my radio show he

2149
01:44:31,290 --> 01:44:28,360
perpetrated a hoe and that was years

2150
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:31,300
before this one that this this person's

2151
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:33,760
referring to but he did this interview

2152
01:44:37,410 --> 01:44:35,290
where he threw a pen in the air

2153
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:37,420
pretending like it you know the aliens

2154
01:44:41,940 --> 01:44:40,330
made it fly across the screen and was

2155
01:44:45,390 --> 01:44:41,950
busted for it because you could see him

2156
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:45,400
flicking it and yeah eventually he

2157
01:44:53,070 --> 01:44:47,890
apologized but it was a real convoluted

2158
01:44:55,980 --> 01:44:53,080
sort of reason like the the government

2159
01:44:58,560 --> 01:44:55,990
made him do it or something like that no

2160
01:45:02,700 --> 01:44:58,570
I thought that was on the the guy in

2161
01:45:04,770 --> 01:45:02,710
Australia's video yeah yeah but Romanick

2162
01:45:08,190 --> 01:45:04,780
did a thing where he apologized for it

2163
01:45:11,490 --> 01:45:08,200
that's what this listener is referring

2164
01:45:14,930 --> 01:45:11,500
to I see and I think it's unfortunate

2165
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:14,940
because you know there were some I

2166
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:17,170
experienced some strange things I at

2167
01:45:24,060 --> 01:45:20,770
least saw a UFO sighting with him who

2168
01:45:25,440 --> 01:45:24,070
knows if you know he had anything to do

2169
01:45:27,450 --> 01:45:25,450
with that it could have been just a

2170
01:45:29,700 --> 01:45:27,460
coincidence because I used to spend lots

2171
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:29,710
of time with his family that I saw this

2172
01:45:37,650 --> 01:45:34,960
thing and you know his family his sister

2173
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:37,660
for instance and his best friend Mark I

2174
01:45:42,150 --> 01:45:39,280
used to spend a lot of time with that

2175
01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:42,160
their friend mine and you know we used

2176
01:45:47,010 --> 01:45:43,840
to do sky watching just like I do about

2177
01:45:50,100 --> 01:45:47,020
here with the MUFON out here and and so

2178
01:45:54,780 --> 01:45:50,110
you know I had seen things I think that

2179
01:45:58,100 --> 01:45:54,790
it it's there are a lot of things with

2180
01:46:02,720 --> 01:45:58,110
his case that I think maybe just maybe

2181
01:46:05,460 --> 01:46:02,730
might be legitimately odd and strange

2182
01:46:08,250 --> 01:46:05,470
there are things that happen I couldn't

2183
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:08,260
explained and if he faked all of all of

2184
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:11,440
what's happened to him and the things

2185
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:15,970
that I've seen then she is you know more

2186
01:46:23,700 --> 01:46:19,440
capable than I have given him credit for

2187
01:46:25,500 --> 01:46:23,710
so I am disappointed in him and you know

2188
01:46:28,860 --> 01:46:25,510
because like I said integrity he's a big

2189
01:46:31,140 --> 01:46:28,870
deal to me and when you do something

2190
01:46:34,049 --> 01:46:31,150
like what he did with the catching of

2191
01:46:36,959 --> 01:46:34,059
the flicking and and other things

2192
01:46:40,529 --> 01:46:36,969
have witness then your case holds no

2193
01:46:43,189 --> 01:46:40,539
more credibility so if there was even

2194
01:46:46,379 --> 01:46:43,199
something that really seriously

2195
01:46:48,329 --> 01:46:46,389
paranormal happened then there's nothing

2196
01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:48,339
you can do with it it's tainted and it's

2197
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:51,129
destroyed yeah it's just like billy

2198
01:46:57,029 --> 01:46:53,530
meier I think most of his stuff is all

2199
01:46:58,979 --> 01:46:57,039
fake it may be some of his early

2200
01:47:01,790 --> 01:46:58,989
sightings are real there's a really

2201
01:47:04,770 --> 01:47:01,800
interesting sighting he had with like a

2202
01:47:08,129 --> 01:47:04,780
politician indeed this lady is very

2203
01:47:10,739 --> 01:47:08,139
credible and though maybe he had some

2204
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:10,749
legitimate sightings but now it's all

2205
01:47:14,129 --> 01:47:12,449
tainted from all this other stuff

2206
01:47:17,399 --> 01:47:14,139
plagiarizing and all this other stuff

2207
01:47:19,919 --> 01:47:17,409
he's gotten busted for so and he could

2208
01:47:23,699 --> 01:47:19,929
go case-by-case on this sort of thing

2209
01:47:25,559 --> 01:47:23,709
but then what can you do with it you

2210
01:47:27,809 --> 01:47:25,569
know when it comes to credibility if I'm

2211
01:47:29,879 --> 01:47:27,819
focused on the mainstream like I am and

2212
01:47:33,540 --> 01:47:29,889
I'm trying to bring credibility to the

2213
01:47:35,790 --> 01:47:33,550
field and try to demonstrate to the

2214
01:47:38,189 --> 01:47:35,800
mainstream that look there are credible

2215
01:47:39,989 --> 01:47:38,199
people there's credible cases this is

2216
01:47:43,770 --> 01:47:39,999
something worse there are things worth

2217
01:47:46,979 --> 01:47:43,780
taking seriously those then have to fall

2218
01:47:48,779 --> 01:47:46,989
off the wayside and and I can't whoops

2219
01:47:52,379 --> 01:47:48,789
my time with any of that stuff I've got

2220
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:52,389
to focused on what's new and what's good

2221
01:47:56,849 --> 01:47:54,639
out there and so no you're right you're

2222
01:48:00,059 --> 01:47:56,859
right absolutely right and I think what

2223
01:48:03,359 --> 01:48:00,069
happens in a situation like that is say

2224
01:48:05,399 --> 01:48:03,369
I have thought maybe personally that you

2225
01:48:06,779 --> 01:48:05,409
know Billy Meyer at one time did have

2226
01:48:11,579 --> 01:48:06,789
something happen but you're right I mean

2227
01:48:13,619 --> 01:48:11,589
everything is purely very easily it's

2228
01:48:17,819 --> 01:48:13,629
easy to tell it's very there's a lot of

2229
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:17,829
bogus stuff going on there also Nancy

2230
01:48:23,129 --> 01:48:21,280
tell that said she spent I think a week

2231
01:48:26,250 --> 01:48:23,139
and a half at Stan Roman acts house

2232
01:48:28,859 --> 01:48:26,260
years ago and she said things were

2233
01:48:32,399 --> 01:48:28,869
actually happening she saw things happen

2234
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,409
with her own eyes in that house and

2235
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:34,719
horeb went across the room and all kinds

2236
01:48:42,270 --> 01:48:38,800
of weird stuff but you know I think what

2237
01:48:45,809 --> 01:48:42,280
happens is maybe things happen with

2238
01:48:47,310 --> 01:48:45,819
these people and like they obviously do

2239
01:48:51,390 --> 01:48:47,320
with Romanick

2240
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:51,400
but he gets so into it and gets

2241
01:48:56,220 --> 01:48:53,920
attention from it and I'm just playing

2242
01:48:58,500 --> 01:48:56,230
devil's advocate here and perhaps have

2243
01:49:02,700 --> 01:48:58,510
to instigate more you know that's not

2244
01:49:04,620 --> 01:49:02,710
enough well Ben Hansen does a talk on

2245
01:49:05,970 --> 01:49:04,630
this that is just brilliant if you

2246
01:49:08,069 --> 01:49:05,980
haven't seen it he's done it at the

2247
01:49:10,290 --> 01:49:08,079
Congress and you can go watch it in fact

2248
01:49:13,050 --> 01:49:10,300
we have a video portal where you can go

2249
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:13,060
watch all of the Congress videos and I'm

2250
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:16,570
happy to say to Michael especially who I

2251
01:49:21,180 --> 01:49:18,880
mentioned earlier a video guy I mean our

2252
01:49:23,220 --> 01:49:21,190
videos of our UFO lectures at our

2253
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:23,230
conference you won't get the quality

2254
01:49:29,220 --> 01:49:25,119
anywhere else they're extremely high

2255
01:49:31,919 --> 01:49:29,230
quality high definition good audio you

2256
01:49:33,689 --> 01:49:31,929
can see these lectures presented in a

2257
01:49:35,729 --> 01:49:33,699
way you'll not see anywhere else but Ben

2258
01:49:37,319 --> 01:49:35,739
does a great talk that you can get out

2259
01:49:40,919 --> 01:49:37,329
our video portal you'll see a link to it

2260
01:49:43,229 --> 01:49:40,929
on our site and about this and he came

2261
01:49:45,870 --> 01:49:43,239
up with a term he called it legend izing

2262
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:45,880
where people legend dies where they have

2263
01:49:52,140 --> 01:49:47,770
something paranormal happened to them

2264
01:49:53,939 --> 01:49:52,150
and they become super popular and so in

2265
01:49:56,270 --> 01:49:53,949
order to keep themselves in the

2266
01:49:59,790 --> 01:49:56,280
limelight begin to folks and fake stuff

2267
01:50:02,069 --> 01:49:59,800
and uh and I know for a fact talking to

2268
01:50:03,660 --> 01:50:02,079
him personally he doesn't say it but

2269
01:50:05,220 --> 01:50:03,670
Roman acts one of the people he has in

2270
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:05,230
mind when he was coming up with this

2271
01:50:10,140 --> 01:50:08,170
idea but Billy Myers who typically

2272
01:50:13,290 --> 01:50:10,150
references when he talks about legend

2273
01:50:15,450 --> 01:50:13,300
izing and it's really fascinating it's

2274
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:15,460
an incredible idea that's very similar

2275
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:17,170
to what you were just talking about and

2276
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:18,639
I think you bet you're both onto

2277
01:50:22,319 --> 01:50:21,250
something there yeah yeah I think wow I

2278
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:22,329
have to I'll have to check that out

2279
01:50:26,850 --> 01:50:25,210
definitely yeah another good one from

2280
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:26,860
Ben I guess so

2281
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:30,250
Phil is a longtime supporter of the show

2282
01:50:36,839 --> 01:50:34,719
and asks this question what do what can

2283
01:50:41,870 --> 01:50:36,849
we say about Peter Davenport's idea of

2284
01:50:44,430 --> 01:50:41,880
passive radar it's an interesting idea

2285
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:44,440
the problem is I mean there's a lot of

2286
01:50:49,859 --> 01:50:46,480
great ideas out there and you know and

2287
01:50:52,020 --> 01:50:49,869
this is one of them but you know this is

2288
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:52,030
an idea and it comes back to what you

2289
01:50:56,819 --> 01:50:53,650
were talking about with you photog and

2290
01:50:58,649 --> 01:50:56,829
UFO data like the other flip side to

2291
01:51:00,480 --> 01:50:58,659
this is that these are great ideas but

2292
01:51:02,610 --> 01:51:00,490
they take so much effort

2293
01:51:06,090 --> 01:51:02,620
and money that they never come to

2294
01:51:07,710 --> 01:51:06,100
fruition I mean I love mark and Doug

2295
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:07,720
Trumbull to death Doug Trumbull is a

2296
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:09,280
huge legend to me

2297
01:51:14,670 --> 01:51:11,770
but they've been working on this project

2298
01:51:17,780 --> 01:51:14,680
and talking about it for years many many

2299
01:51:20,100 --> 01:51:17,790
years and and nothing come of it yeah

2300
01:51:22,490 --> 01:51:20,110
you're Davenport's been talking about

2301
01:51:26,490 --> 01:51:22,500
his project even longer than that one

2302
01:51:28,650 --> 01:51:26,500
it's a great idea but so it's it's

2303
01:51:30,900 --> 01:51:28,660
there's so many good ideas out there but

2304
01:51:37,470 --> 01:51:30,910
just the research in this field blacks

2305
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:37,480
is resources in in manpower and in our

2306
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:39,730
human power I should say because there's

2307
01:51:46,350 --> 01:51:41,770
a lot of very talented and capable women

2308
01:51:47,730 --> 01:51:46,360
in this field and and and money and we

2309
01:51:49,170 --> 01:51:47,740
just don't have those things to make

2310
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:49,180
them happen but yeah I think it's a

2311
01:51:53,610 --> 01:51:51,010
great idea he's essentially talking

2312
01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:53,620
about tapping into other radar to be

2313
01:52:01,980 --> 01:51:56,770
able to monitor all of the skies to for

2314
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:01,990
UFOs and it's a good idea you know now

2315
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:04,930
here's some here's a couple of

2316
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:06,730
follow-ups I want to just ask if you

2317
01:52:11,310 --> 01:52:09,010
know anything about an that is I believe

2318
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:11,320
on your show I help you out with the

2319
01:52:16,890 --> 01:52:14,650
news also on your show that's true and

2320
01:52:18,770 --> 01:52:16,900
and that comes out every Monday

2321
01:52:21,780 --> 01:52:18,780
afternoon almost every Monday afternoon

2322
01:52:24,770 --> 01:52:21,790
you had talked about a woman picking up

2323
01:52:26,910 --> 01:52:24,780
some silvery substance after a UFO

2324
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:26,920
sighting and I just wondered has that

2325
01:52:32,850 --> 01:52:29,890
advanced has anyone looked into what

2326
01:52:35,460 --> 01:52:32,860
that was oh yeah what I would have to

2327
01:52:38,340 --> 01:52:35,470
ask Roger for a follow-up on that one

2328
01:52:40,590 --> 01:52:38,350
okay so yeah unfortunately I don't have

2329
01:52:42,780 --> 01:52:40,600
an answer for it okay the next one is um

2330
01:52:46,290 --> 01:52:42,790
have we heard anything from our guys

2331
01:52:48,690 --> 01:52:46,300
over there at the CubeSat Dave Cody and

2332
01:52:51,390 --> 01:52:48,700
all that is your dad well yeah we hear a

2333
01:52:52,890 --> 01:52:51,400
lot from them Dave one of the Dave's

2334
01:52:56,250 --> 01:52:52,900
because there's these two Dave's Dave

2335
01:53:00,480 --> 01:52:56,260
shock so yeah in our open mind

2336
01:53:02,580 --> 01:53:00,490
UFO news group that's our Facebook page

2337
01:53:05,790 --> 01:53:02,590
where we don't allow trollers only a

2338
01:53:07,620 --> 01:53:05,800
simple discussion in there and people

2339
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:07,630
who even disagree with each other as

2340
01:53:12,270 --> 01:53:09,250
long as he talks civilly with each other

2341
01:53:14,340 --> 01:53:12,280
so go to the open minds UFO news

2342
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:14,350
Facebook group it's a closed

2343
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:16,560
but just ask you joining will let you

2344
01:53:23,070 --> 01:53:19,210
being close just allows us to boot you

2345
01:53:24,540 --> 01:53:23,080
if you start to get mean that's yeah

2346
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:24,550
dave shucks in there a lot they're

2347
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:25,930
they're still working they're they're

2348
01:53:30,180 --> 01:53:28,570
still raising money I guess which is

2349
01:53:34,230 --> 01:53:30,190
kind of weird to me because they've

2350
01:53:36,740 --> 01:53:34,240
already had a successful IndieGoGo

2351
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:36,750
campaign so they're in the process of

2352
01:53:44,010 --> 01:53:40,330
getting it done but it's going to take

2353
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:44,020
some time however it is going to happen

2354
01:53:49,140 --> 01:53:47,110
because they get their funding and other

2355
01:53:52,530 --> 01:53:49,150
just trying to get funding put to add

2356
01:53:53,670 --> 01:53:52,540
more cool stuff on to it so yeah that's

2357
01:53:55,140 --> 01:53:53,680
gonna be a lot of fun and interesting

2358
01:53:57,900 --> 01:53:55,150
when it happens and for people who don't

2359
01:53:59,520 --> 01:53:57,910
know you can look up cube SATs and

2360
01:54:01,740 --> 01:53:59,530
actually there have been some launched

2361
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:01,750
even by students lately where it's a

2362
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:04,960
small cube and naso are actually these

2363
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:06,610
other space companies will allow you to

2364
01:54:10,890 --> 01:54:08,890
put whatever you want on that cube then

2365
01:54:13,530 --> 01:54:10,900
they launch it and they let it go into

2366
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:13,540
space and what these guys are going to

2367
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:15,610
do is put a camera and some

2368
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:18,730
communication so that this camera will

2369
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:21,610
send pictures back to the planet so they

2370
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:24,370
can kind of monitor space for UFOs but

2371
01:54:29,310 --> 01:54:26,170
they want to put other telemetry on

2372
01:54:32,220 --> 01:54:29,320
there sort of like you photog or the UFO

2373
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:32,230
data they can monitor electromagnetic

2374
01:54:37,710 --> 01:54:36,010
forces and other things so that's what

2375
01:54:38,550 --> 01:54:37,720
they're looking to do well guess what

2376
01:54:41,940 --> 01:54:38,560
we're out of time

2377
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:41,950
boy that went fast yeah all right thanks

2378
01:54:49,460 --> 01:54:44,560
so much Alejandro and we'll be catching

2379
01:54:52,290 --> 01:54:49,470
you next week for the news here alright

2380
01:54:55,110 --> 01:54:52,300
alright and so thank you everyone for

2381
01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:55,120
listening and I have a guest but I don't

2382
01:55:00,270 --> 01:54:57,490
have a solid confirmation for next week

2383
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:00,280
so I don't want to announce it so anyway

2384
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:02,530
thanks for listening and thank you

2385
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:04,960
Alejandro for being the guest and the

2386
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:07,690
news guy both this week I want to also

2387
01:55:12,750 --> 01:55:09,970
thank a Peggy shining for Manning the

2388
01:55:15,090 --> 01:55:12,760
Facebook page or woman will Manning the

2389
01:55:17,610 --> 01:55:15,100
Facebook page I should say carry large

2390
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:17,620
white house for the music and so that's

2391
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:18,130
it